| Subject: | Re: [RESOGUIT-L] DelVechio Guitars? | | Date: | Monday, April 30, 2007 12:30:38 (-0300) | | From: | Dennis Poague <poague @............br>
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| In reply to: | Message 6660 (written by ricardo dias) |
Greetings from Brazil,
I am from USA but have been living here 18 years since I married a
Brazilian and planted roots here. I am a born again Conehead luthier about
ready to open my repair shop / guitar factory. I have spent last 7 years
repairing Del Vecchio( 2 c´s)Dinamico guitars and I have been to
their store in Sao Paulo to buy cones and parts. Their factory is closed,
but the store is open and they still produce instruments. I am not shure
who is doing the work. I think they have another guitar company making
them. They do have a homepage is you are interested at
www.delvecchio.com.br.
I have talked to some oldtimers that worked there, but have yet to talk
to one of the owners. They have a display of their old instruments that I
hope to photo next time I go there. They have all kinds of instruments
that range from 6 string guitars,classic and folk, ten string guitars,
lapsteel, caviquinho ( like a Uke) violins, et.etc.
Reso violin, 6 string reso, 10 string reso..all kinds of resos.
I have been lurking and waiting to post since I have questions for all
the Reso Luthiers about making cones. I have had the luck to be shown by
a DelVecchio worker how to spin their cones. I even got to spin a couple
on their lathe...peace of cake. Since I am the only Conehead luthier in
this state that has the ResoMania need to build better
Dinamico and Resos I have to ask the question sI have been trying to
answer for all these years. I have done alot of surfing the net and I
have even gone to the extent of trying to ask directly from some masters
of cone spinning , but still no answers. What is the secret to the magic
cone? So far I have come to three major answers from
some kind luthiers that have answered..as well as some serious Coneheads
that have taken the expense and time to try spinning cones with various
aluminum alloys.
First I tried to discover the alloy John Quarterman uses since he is
the Master according to StewMac and other Coneheads. He hasn´t
answered me since I posted the question some 5 years ago. Maybe he will
reveal his secret now! I have been told that as the best guess he uses a
6061 fully annealed (T1) alloy about .07inch think???.
Since I can´t find any of this alloy here I assume the DelVecchios
use 5051 alloy because it is available from one compay.
Next I was told by the BelTona reso luthier in New Zealand the the
secret is not the alloy but the shape of the cone: height versus
diameter..better tone the higher the center.
Now I also believe that the tools used as well as the attention by the
spinner has some influence on the quality of the cone tone. I mean that a
seasoned cone spinner can make a better sonding cone that the Korean (
Chinese) ??? machine made cones. I found that the spinning process is
very simple but it required a good hand and a certain amount of force. I
have downloaded everything I could from the internet that I could find
about spinning and making Resos. But, I still havent found the exact
answers which could be due to lack of visiting the masters and asking them
first hand what knowledge they have kept trade secret all these years.!!
Needless to say...I live in the BoonDocks of Paradise and I plan on
making my own cones once I have all the answers. I have a lathe and a
DelVecchio Dinamico mold just waiting for a year for the answer..What
alloy to buy, thickness, tools to use, and pressure applied to insure the
best cone tone possible. DelVecchios are simple laimnated instruments of
low cost since the economy here can´t absorb the higher end
instruments. The new Dinamicos sell in the DelVecchio store for about
$Real500
(Brazilian currency ) and the Korean (Chinese) round neck spider cone
Resos sell for about $Real 1000. The new DelVecchios now use a plastic
hole covers which are truely cheezy. The Asian Resos have nice finished
hardwares but lousy tone. I want the best tone, the best materials (
solid rosewood body or laminates?) and the best finish/hardware I can
afford to build the best Reso in Brazil. Any of you Master ConeHeads have
any answers or input for my illumination in the way of making the best
Reso? I love this forum and read all the post everyday...if I can´t
get the answers from youall here I guess I will try Resonation or
Acoustical Guitar Luthier forum next...
I am just waiting for the answers to start spinning and bulding so I too
can becom a Master ConeHead luthier.
Thanks for all the good info from this forum..I will not desist the
search for great tone. Dennis aka the Loco Gringo
resoguit-l@elistas.com writes:
>They were built here in Brazil decades ago , in that company s attempt to
>immitate the sound found in american resonators...
> They follow your description , the fretboard is somewhat rustic , and
>different materials found on them - including the cone (although with
>lesser quality than those used by american companies ) - provide
>different tonal characteristics - and have earned the respect of Steve
>James and Ry Cooder...
> Of technical info on construction , my fellow brazilian Paulo Tonella ,
>still a member of this list I guess , might help you better...
>
> Regards!
> Ricardo Dias
>
>
>Eugene <U14@clcc.org> wrote:
> Their was a local woman named Flora Molton that I met a few times
>during the early 1980's that played a Delvecchio spanish guitar which had
>a single cone but sounded distinct from the National and the Dobro
>guitars I was then familiar with. She allowed me to play it a couple of
>times when we crossed paths. As I recall she just referred to this guitar
>as a "resonator guitar" or a "guitar" and that was that. But she was
>aware that it was an unusual instrument.
>
>My recollection is that this guitar had some intonation anomalies on some
>frets.
>
>Flora's guitar had a wood cover-plate which restricted my ability to see
>the guitars interior. Do any of you know how these guitars were
>constructed internally? Do you know of any sources of pictures or
>technical information about these guitars?
>
>Regards
>-- Eugene
>
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>resoguit-l@elistas.com writes:
>They were built here in Brazil decades ago , in that company s attempt to
>immitate the sound found in american resonators...
> They follow your description , the fretboard is somewhat rustic , and
>different materials found on them - including the cone (although with
>lesser quality than those used by american companies ) - provide
>different tonal characteristics - and have earned the respect of Steve
>James and Ry Cooder...
> Of technical info on construction , my fellow brazilian Paulo Tonella ,
>still a member of this list I guess , might help you better...
>
> Regards!
> Ricardo Dias
>
>
>Eugene <U14@clcc.org> wrote:
> Their was a local woman named Flora Molton that I met a few times
>during the early 1980's that played a Delvecchio spanish guitar which had
>a single cone but sounded distinct from the National and the Dobro
>guitars I was then familiar with. She allowed me to play it a couple of
>times when we crossed paths. As I recall she just referred to this guitar
>as a "resonator guitar" or a "guitar" and that was that. But she was
>aware that it was an unusual instrument.
>
>My recollection is that this guitar had some intonation anomalies on some
>frets.
>
>Flora's guitar had a wood cover-plate which restricted my ability to see
>the guitars interior. Do any of you know how these guitars were
>constructed internally? Do you know of any sources of pictures or
>technical information about these guitars?
>
>Regards
>-- Eugene
>
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