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Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcreditactive] The King--"Under Which King? by
C.H. Douglas: from Wally
Hello Jessop (and Others),
The essay relates to "immanent sovereignty" as this
relates to Christian principles. I scanned it directly to the Clipboard
and pasted it below in Rich Text: (Let me know if this is satisfactory or
if you have any difficulties.)
Sincerely
Wally
"THE STRUGGLE FOR MONEY" by "H.M.M."
(Glasgow: William Maclellan, 1957)
CHAPTER TWELVE
Under Which King?
By C. H. DOUGLAS
(Here, as a fitting end-piece, is a short essay,
originally published in The Social Creditor of December 15, 1945, written by the
man who, if the world survives--which is doubtful--will, in the years to come,
be hailed as its saviour.)
There is no single aspect of political economy
which deserves more attention, and receives less, than the nature of an order.
Like so many other matters of importance and subtlety, most people understand so
little of the subject that they are practically unaware that it presents any
problem; still less, a problem on which the whole structure of society depends.
The immense success of mediaeval civilisation (and its ultimate failure) can be
seen to be linked with one conception of an order and the sanctions which
sustained it; the different, but notable, achievements--of the nineteenth
century, and the chaos which has succeeded that short-lived adventure, are
plainly the outcome of another. The problem is often stated by the use of the
word "sovereignty"; and we have an indication of that identity in the title of
the gold coin which ruled the nineteenth century, the English sovereign, as well
as in the declared intention to remove national sovereignty to an international
centre.
The essence of mediaevalism (often, it may be
noted, referred to as the Mediaeval Order) was the existence of the Church as a
sanction, as an organisation for making effective certain checks and balances
upon the use of physical force to carry an order from its utterance to its
execution. The Church claimed to be, and was to quite a considerable extent, a
living body of Superior Law, not different in intention, but far higher in
conception than the Constitution of the United States. And: it is important to
notice that the breakdown of nineteenth century English prosperity can be seen
in retrospect to be contemporaneous with the decadence in social prestige of the
village parson.
Now the nature of the problem presented to political economy,
as distinct from ideology, by an order, is simply this: Either Brown gives
orders on his own behalf, or Mr. Pink-Geranium gives them for him. That someone
has to give orders on Brown's behalf is not in dispute. And the decision between
these two courses is ultimately dependent on which source of authority
succeeds in making results most accurately and rapidly eventuate from orders, in
reasonable identity between specification and product.
And the problem is
complicated for Mr. Pink-Geranium by the fact that he has no one but Mr. Brown
to whom to give orders, and Mr. Brown is convinced that it is more blessed to
give than to receive.
There was a period, say between 1850 and 1914, in
which the economic aspect of this problem was in a fair way to
solution. The gold sovereign was a complete order system. Mr. Brown had only: to
tender his yellow warrant of sovereignty and he got what he wanted. He set in
motion the most marvellous train of self-acting psychological sanctions.
Factories sprang to life, trains ran, and ships sailed, all concerned not merely
to do his will, but to do it better than anyone else. It is quite irrelevant to
this particular argument that a large and increasing number of Mr. Browns had no
sovereigns; it is a fact of history that the man who had one always wanted two,
and in consequence, if every Mr. Brown had possessed a sovereign it would
still have been effective. It is perhaps unnecessary to observe that the virtue
of the gold sovereign lay not in its material but in its sanctions.
Now the political equivalent of the
gold sovereign is the vote, and the merest glance at our life and times is
sufficient to establish the conclusion that it fails to work. There is
nothing in the possession of a vote which remotely approximates to the power of
choice and the certainty of delivery enjoyed by Mr. Brown with his golden
sovereign in the latter days of the nineteenth century. No one outside the walls
of a mental hospital would contend that the individual voter gets what he votes
for, or voted for what he is getting. So obvious is this that the greatest
difficulty is experienced in getting people to vote at all. The vote costs
nothing: and it is worth precisely what it costs. If it cost ten shillings to
vote, how many voters would be registered?
But the matter does not end there. While the
political vote is valueless to the individual, it enables the Satanic Powers to
claim a mandate which it in fact does not confer, and which it is powerless to
enforce. This situation is so satisfactory that the ballot-box is a cardinal
provision of the World State, and it is dear for any ordinary intelligent person
to see that it is the intention--and in "Britain" the rapidly developing
fact--that the economic vote will be destroyed in its nineteenth century
effectiveness, and substituted by the political vote as, exercised in
Russia.
It is urgently necessary to realise these
matters because they dominate our future. British Governments now hold office by
a trick; no British Government has any genuine mandate. Our whole political
system is not merely irrational, it is a fraud and a usurpation. We have allowed
the vicious nonsense which derided the values established by a thousand years of
unique political experience to destroy in our name every safeguard against
tyranny provided by historic continuity in the Three Estates, and
we welcome the people who spawn this nonsense when they desert the Europe
they have wrecked. Nothing can save us but a drastic de-hypnotisation. It is
coming; but it may kill us.
THE END
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:19
AM
Subject: [socialcreditactive] The
King
> Dear Wally,
>
> In the "CONTENTS" list in your
sbmission below, I see a section headed " 12
> UNDER WHICH
KING?"
>
> I assume the reference here is to earthly rulers
contrasted to the Lord Jesus?
> If that is so, I would like to read it.
Could you e-mail it to me?
>
> Incidentally, for documents (short
ones!) which you scan, if you could run
> them through your OCR system
and send them to me to edit, that could work for
> us. I would send the
edited (corrected) text back to you for your files. Is
> that
possible?
>
> Jessop.
>
----------------------------------------
>
> On Saturday 31 Jul
2004 10:05 am, Wallace M. Klinck wrote:
> > From Wally --
>
>
> > The following discussion of the A + B Theorem and the Just
Price is
> > excerpted from:
> >
> >
>
>
> > THE STRUGGLE FOR MONEY
> >
> > A Study of
the struggle which is the underlying root cause of all the
> > world's
troubles and problems, from poverty to world-wars and the hydrogen
> >
bomb; and is quite insane and unnecessary. Who at present owns, and who
>
> ought to own, all money and credit, asks the author--the Banks, the
>
> Government or the Consuming Public?
> >
> > BY
"H.M.M."
> >
> > WILLIAM MACLELLAN
> >
> >
240 HOPE STREET, GLASGOW. C.2
> >
> > 1957
>
>
> > CONTENTS
> >
> >
Chapter
Page
> >
> > 1 THIS SORRY SCHEME OF THINGS
.................................... 7
> >
> > 2 FINANCIAL
AXIOMS ..........................................................
17
> >
> > 3 THE DEFECT OF CREDIT CREATION
................................. 21
> >
> > 4 THE DEFECT OF
BANK INTEREST .................................... 29
> >
> >
5 THE DEFECT OF PREMATURE CANCELLATION
> >
> > OF PURCHASING
POWER ................................................... 34
>
>
> > 6 OUR BOGUS DEBTS
......................................................... 43
>
>
> > 7 THE BANKERS' BOTTOMLESS VAULTS .............................
55
> >
> > 8 THE REMEDY
................................................................... 60
>
>
> > 9 RICH AND
POOR ...............................................................
70
> >
> > 10 SUMMING
UP ..................................................................
74
> >
> > 11 FINAL
WORDS .................................................................
86
> >
> > 12 UNDER WHICH KING?
...................................................... 90
> >
>
> (By C. H. Douglas)
>
>
>
>
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