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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] dialog: PDF from "H.M.M." from Wally discussing the A + B Theorem and Just Price--further
Date:Friday, August 6, 2004  02:27:03 (-0600)
From:Wallace M. Klinck <wmklinck @....ca>

Bill (from Wally)
 
Murray ("H.M.M.") uses the terms "inside" and "outside" payments merely to help the reader conceptualize the nature of business payments--but he defines them as, and also uses, the more abstract A and B designations as well.  You are correct that he doesn't refer to labour displacement in Chapter 8 of "The Struggle for Money"--and that this factor is, of course, essential to the Social Credit analysis and recommendations which are made in the light of increasing capital costs associated with growing labor displacing technology.  That is, in the primitive economy when capital played a much smaller role in the productive process, the deficiency of purchasing-power was much less significant.  My understanding is that this "changing" economy is accepted as a given by students of Social Credit. 
 
The assumption of "credentialed economists" has moved, I believe, from the belief that the operation of the price system properly would maintain a high level of employment to the policy that it SHOULD maintain it and (in light of its inability to do so) wasteful or superflous production would be used by artifice to maintain it through an increasing draft on future income financed by debt.  Social Credit, of course, is not concerned with creating work, but rather with eliminating it to free humans for cultural activities--thereby, incidentally, also conserving resources.  
 
Murray does  refer to the displacement of labor in Chapter 1 of his book, entitled, "This Sorry Scheme of Things" which I have pasted below:
 
 

THE STRUGGLE FOR MONEY

A Study of the struggle which is the underlying root cause of all the world's troubles and problems, from poverty to world-wars and the hydrogen bomb; and is quite insane and unnecessary. Who at present owns, and who ought to own, all money and credit, asks the author--the Banks, the Government or the Consuming Public?

 

BY

H.M.M.

WILLIAM MACLELLAN

240 HOPE STREET, GLASGOW. C.2

1957

CHAPTER I

THIS SORRY SCHEME OF THINGS

Ah Love! could thou and I with Fate conspire

To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire,

Would not we shatter it to bits–and then

Re-mould it nearer to the Heart’s Desire!

OMAR KHAYYAM

Every human heart echoes that cry today, for in this age of ever-increasing anxiety and fear, every human being, rich or poor, longs for peace and security and the amenities of a true civilisation–with freedom and leisure in which to create and enjoy them.

These are basic needs essential for man’ continued existence and development; and his accumulated knowledge, organised power, inventive genius, ability and industry can supply the means for their fullest satisfaction, with increasing ease, goodwill, and the closest possible co-operation of all sections of the community–and of the world–and can do it now, today, provided we remove the man-made, and therefore removable, obstacles that at present bar all approach to the Land of Heart’s Desire.

What are those obstacles?

A fraudulent financial system and the bogus debts it creates–Public Enemy No. I–with its by-products, false ideas about work, trade and commerce, savings, government, democracy, and life generally--all of which tend to paralyse the good elements in man’s make-up and stimulate the bad; and their combined effect is appalling, being the animating cause of all the world’s major ills, from poverty to world-wars and the hydrogen bomb.

What is wrong with the financial system?

Nearly everything. It is a great invention gone wrong. Honestly run–that is, in such a way that nobody’s just and lawful rights or interests are infringed or adversely affected in any way by its operations–it could make Earth a heaven in next to no time. Run on its present lines it is not only making life a hell, but will destroy the human race, and perhaps the Earth itself, unless we change it.

How is it run at present?

Before attempting to answer that question, let us ask ourselves another: What is the true function of the financial system?

Surely it is to oil the wheels of production and distribution so that every individual will get the things he needs for a full and adequate life–and get them with the maximum of ease and speed, and the minimum expenditure of time and energy–that and nothing more.

To bring about that happy state of affairs, with production speeding up automatically and willingly in response to real consumer demand–backed with the money to pay for what is demanded and possible–the key to the whole problem–with drudgery decreasing and leisure increasing for everybody as machines take the place of men in industry and increase its productive capacity–as they are always doing–it should be obvious to everybody that the only way to satisfy human needs and desires effectively, and create a happy, contented and peace-loving world, is to ensure that, in every country, total personal incomes are kept at all times level with total production costs and prices–that for every £ in these costs and prices there is a £ in consumers’ pockets and bank accounts to meet it; and that is purely a matter of honest and correct book-keeping. But it is quite impossible to keep them level so long as all purchasing power is issued to the public solely in the form of loans–bogus manufactured debts–on which interest is charged, as at present; and no means are provided for liquidating these loans except by creating, and lending, newer and larger ones–larger because of the added interest–which is no liquidation at all; and, so far as that money is personal incomes, distributes it, not in proportion to the total costs of the wealth produced or producible, as it should be, but only in proportion to the human labour costs and distributed profits–which are only two of the elements in final prices, and decreasing elements at that–and omits to provide the community with personal incomes to cover the ever-increasing overhead charges, due to increasing machine power costs–a defect which, in our machine age, drives a wedge of bogus debts between total incomes and total prices, forcing them ever further and further apart.

Today’s borrowings from the banks have the double, or treble task of liquidating the borrowings of yesterday in which are re-embodied the borrowings of a long line of yesterdays, going back, some of it, possibly to the beginning of banking in this country in 1694, when the National Debt began its fraudulent, devastating career–pay the interest thereon and provide the community with a living at the same time. Tomorrow’s borrowings have to liquidate those of today–including all their re-embodied ancestors–pay the mounting interest, and provide the community with a living tomorrow; and all the tomorrows after that have to repeat and continue the process until the struggle to survive under the mountains of ever-growing, irredeemable debts–all bogus–drives the peoples of the Earth into a frantic and fruitless search for markets, and the madness of world wars of annihilation–or shocks them into sanity, so that, instead of killing each other, in order to earn a living, they take their bankers and financiers by the throat–metaphorically or otherwise–and say to them: "Stop this bogus debt racket at once, or else–!" They the hierarchy of banks–know quite well it is a racket, and how to stop it. They don't need to be told what to do, but given an ultimatum to do it, and do it at once. The marvel is that they have never been indicted for treason, and possibly hanged, for betraying the rights of the community.

To put the matter as bluntly and brutally as our desperate plight requires it should be put, the only difference between banking, as it is carried on today throughout the world, and counterfeiting, is that banking is legalised robbery of the community–and the world–by professionals, on the grandest possible scale; whereas the crime of counterfeiting is illegal robbery of the community by amateurs; and the scale of their operations, compared with that of their professional brethren, is as a grain of mustard seed to a mountain.

And yet banking could be run as honestly as the bankers doubtless like us to think it is run, and be a godsend to the world, if those who run it were to admit openly the obvious fact that all the financial credits they create are drafts on the community’s "real credit"–its ability to produce goods and render services, to which the banks have no title at all, except as a very small fraction of the community, and were to regulate their bookkeeping in strict accordance with that fact–that is, that all loans should be entered in their books in the community’s name as creditor, and not the banks’; and this credit account should be written up in accordance with all production, capital appreciation, and imports; and written down in accord with all consumption, capital depreciation, and exports; and that free and equal payments be made from this ever-growing credit fund to every member of the community–in the form of a National Dividend–to bring and keep their purchasing power–their total personal incomes, as consumers, always level with total productive capacity and costs, so that whatever they care to produce they can buy; and, in buying it can cancel out of existence all the formal debts involved in its creation–instead of merely substituting new and larger bogus debts for each one cancelled, as now.

It may be useful in this connection, as a guide to action, to keep in mind a statement made by Lord Cecil of Chelwood–then Lord Robert Cecil–in a pamphlet published in 1919, called "The New Outlook." He wrote: "The close co-operation of the financial interests of the world has led to the creation of a largely mythical figure which is supposed to dominate world politics. Whenever I have met anyone who could be called an international financier I have not been struck so much by his want of scruple as by his extreme timidity. He trembles at every rumour, and so far from controlling world forces he is the sport and plaything of every journalist and every politician. Perhaps my experience may have been exceptional. But in any case, whether you regard international finance as a sinister force of world-wide power, or as a group of men timorously speculating on the uncontrollable movements of public opinion, its importance to the prosperity of the world has been shown by the terrible difficulties in which Europe has been placed by its partial breakdown."

The mythical figure is very real, unfortunately, although the trembling was probably quite genuine; and if Lord Robert had had a world war, and the deaths and maiming of millions of men on his conscience–to say nothing of the appalling destruction and misery that accompanied it; and knew that he was the direct, or indirect cause of it all–and wondered why everybody else wasn’t equally aware of the fact–as the inner circle of bankers must know and wonder–he too would have trembled.

But the trembling never went so far as to induce the tremblers to abandon their power and fundamental aim, which is nothing less than absolute control of the world, its inhabitants, and all their affairs; and they are nearer reaching their goal today than ever they were before, although, with two world wars and the atom and hydrogen bombs on their consciences, they have every reason to be trembling a great deal more.

We have abundant evidence of their rapid march towards supreme power in the setting up of Central Banks all over the world, to control banking policy in their respective areas, with a Super-World-Bank now in existence to exercise control over the National Central Banks, and through them the activities–all needing to be financed!–and lives of all nations, peoples, and governments. The general good has no place in their policy except incidentally and accidentally.

Disraeli is reported to have said that "Governments do not govern, but merely control the machinery of government, being controlled by the hidden hand;" and he knew what he was talking about–so it should be the first concern of every country and people to see that their elected governments have the guts to control the hidden hand of finance. Their second concern–and quite as important should be to devise constitutional machinery for controlling and curbing their governments–Public Enemy No. 2–and limiting their power, already far too great, and habitually used to the community’s disadvantage and detriment.

To use the financial system as an instrument of government, compelling or bribing people to do the will of the controllers–whether they are the banks or the government–instead of doing what their own natural instincts, needs, desires, and feelings incline and induce them to do–as is done today–is the essence of tyranny and the negation of Democracy.

That it is so used was frankly admitted by Mr. Oliver Lyttelton, then Colonial Secretary, when addressing the Conservative Society at the London School of Economics on 23/2/53. He is reported as saying that "one of the great merits of trying to regulate economic trends by use of the financial rather than the physical instrument, was that the former could be regulated by a handful of men. It does not require a horde of officials, a myriad forms, tons of paper, snoopers, questionnaires, sometimes of a most intimate description, and intrusion into the kitchens and bedrooms of every house in England, to carry out the policy."

One can agree heartily with his objections to the physical instrument, and yet condemn more emphatically still the use of the financial one, as an infinitely sinister, harmful, and dangerous instrument of tyranny and oppression to be in the hands of any handful of men; and it is disquieting to learn that one of our elected servants should glory in such a misuse of power. If the trends these handfuls of men seek to influence are in the nation’s interest, surely they would want the nation to know what they are doing, and why, instead of pulling convenient, but hidden, strings behind the scenes?

Sir Winston Churchill had more than an inkling of what was, and is, wrong when giving his Romanes Lecture –"Parliamentary Government and the Economic Problem"–at Oxford, on 19/6/30. He said: "The classical doctrines of economics have for nearly a century found their citadels in the Treasury and the Bank of England... Whatever we may think about those doctrines... we can clearly see that they do not correspond to what is going on now... It is certain that the economic problem with which we are now confronted is not adequately solved, indeed is not solved at all, by the teachings of the text-books, however grand may be their logic, however illustrious may be their authors...

"If the doctrines of the old economists no longer serve for the purposes of our society, they must be replaced by a new body of doctrine...

"Beyond our immediate difficulty lies the root problem of modern world economics; namely, the strange discordance between the consuming and producing power... Who would have thought that it would be easier to produce by toil and skill all the most necessary or desirable commodities than it is to find consumers for them? Who would have thought that cheap and abundant supplies of all the basic commodities should find the science and civilisation of the world unable to utilise them? Have all our triumphs of research and organisation bequeathed us only a new punishment–the Curse of Plenty? Are we really to believe that no better adjustment can be made between supply and demand? Yet the fact remains that every attempt has so far failed. Many various attempts have been made, from the extremes of Communism in Russia to the extremes of Capitalism in the United States. They include every form of fiscal policy and currency policy. But all have failed, and we have advanced little further in this quest than in barbaric times. Surely it is this mysterious crack and fissure at the basis of all our arrangements and apparatus upon which the keenest minds throughout the world should be concentrated. Lasting fame and great advantage would attend the nation which first secured the prize...

"Economic problems, unlike political issues, cannot be solved by any expression, however vehement, of the national will, but only by taking the right action. You cannot cure cancer by a majority. What is wanted is a remedy. Everyone knows what the people wish. They wish for more prosperity. How to get it? That is the grim question...

"Parliament is upon its trial, and if it continues to show itself incapable of offering sincere and effective guidance at this juncture, our Parliamentary institutions, so admirable in the political sphere, may well fall under a far-reaching condemnation." Sad to say, it didn’t seem to occur to him that, having stated the problem so clearly, and emphasised its seriousness, it was his duty to seek a remedy himself, and not merely exhort others to find one. Had he done so he would have discovered that ten years or more before he delivered his address Major C. H. Douglas had analysed the problem into its basic elements, and devised a solution for it that fitted all the facts, and was watertight in every particular; that this solution was widely known if little understood by those who should have made it their business to understand it–our politicians–and that if he had adopted and applied it when he came into power he would have won for our country–and for himself–the lasting fame and great advantage he said would attend the nation which first secured the prize–and the whole world would have shared that advantage–and he himself would have stood infinitely higher in the records and estimates–and estimation–of posterity than he is ever likely to do now.

His own words should have indicated to him clearly the real nature of the solution required. How else can it be easier to produce commodities than to find consumers for them, except by wrongfully keeping these would-be consumers short of purchasing power?

The chief stumbling-block to the acceptance of a genuine remedy–Sir Winston’s "right action"–by those in the strongest position to apply it, is that it would destroy the power of the banks to dominate the economic scene, and lessen the power of Parliament to participate in that domination; and would transfer it where it properly belongs–to the people themselves–the individuals constituting the community, who are its animating source.

When any proposal is made that Parliament should spend even a comparatively small sum of money on some admittedly worthy object, the Government of the day can usually be depended on to turn it down–regretfully, of course–if it gets the wink from the Treasury, or the banks, by reminding its advocates that the national purse is, unfortunately, not bottomless; and with a National Debt outstanding of £26,582,602,000 (31/3/54)–or whatever fantastic figure it may be at the given moment–on our hands, we simply can’t afford it. That shuts everybody’s mouth and ends the matter. The fact that the country may be physically able, and willing, to do all that is required, being in possession of all the necessary elements required for carrying through the project–raw materials, intermediate products, plant and machinery, skill and labour, etc.–and Nature’s illimitable powers– combined with the other undeniable fact that "what is physically possible is financially possible" (C. H. Douglas)–finance being merely bookkeeping–weighs not at all in these matters, so little do our legislators understand the workings of the financial system, as it is, and as it could and should be.

But when the Money Lords decide to finance world wars, or work connected with the production of unwanted atom bombs, money and credit appear out of the blue, as if by magic, and flow like water, without either Parliament or the country being consulted in the matter. We have Sir Winston’s word for that. On 23/10/52 he was reported as saying–in connection with work incidental to the production of atom bombs–"As to the cost–I have said before, as an old Parliamentarian, I was rather astonished that something well over £100,000,000 could be disbursed without Parliament being made aware of it." But while the whole world’s irredeemable bogus debts are piling up on every hand, at compound interest, and raising the level of prices at the same time, its income–which should be on the same scale if these debts are ever to be liquidated and the world get the full benefit of all its work and toil–does not mount up correspondingly. When it is spent it is gone for good–most of it within a week or two of receipt, leaving behind it a debt–a bogus debt; an intolerable burden of ever-growing bogus debts–riveted round the world’s neck; and its renewal, which is imperative for the life of the world, and depends on fresh borrowing by somebody, at no time re-embodies, as income, any of the money spent. That has to be earned anew, by fresh labour and fresh production; and all fresh earnings are fresh irredeemable debts.

THE END

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] dialog: PDF from "H.M.M." from Wally discussing the A + B Theorem and Just Price

> While this document by "H.M.M" is of historical
> interest, it is a very confused and contradictory
> rendition of Douglas's A+B theorem.  Most
> egregiously, no-where in the chapter is there any
> mention of labor displacement.  Less egregious but
> definitely adding to the confusion is his usage of
> terms never used by Douglas--"outside" and "inside"
> payments.
> -
>
> "If we call the Inside Payments A, and the Outside
> Payments B, total costs are A plus B; so it is
> equally obvious that the owners and employees of the
> business cannot, between them, possibly buy--with
> their joint incomes, represented by A--the total
> output of the business, the price of which is A plus
> B--even if they wanted to, which, of course, they
> don't."
> -------------------------
> ---------------
>
> [Reply] Modern industrial production is multi-staged.
>
> B payments are flowing from firms to firms in payment
> for intermediate production, broadly defined.  The
> firms receiving the B payments are simultaneously
> making A payments.  There is directionality in
> production, from lower to higher stages--the highest
> being retail.
>
> -
>
> "That is true of every individual business, so it is
> true of all businesses collectively, in any week,
> month, year, or period of years we like to take; from
> which it follows that the country's total income--
> every country's total income--all the world's total
> income--is at all times insufficient to buy its total
> output; and to that fact all the world's major
> troubles are due."
> -------------------------
> ---------------
>
>
> This does not follow at all from his preceding
> paragraph.  In the hypothetical condition of dynamic
> steady-state, the rate of flow of B payments by the
> retail sector will necessarily equal the rate of flow
> of the totality of the A payments made throughout the
> economy outside the retail sector, so the costs of
> production flowing to the point of retail will equal
> the flow of payments to final consumers.
>
> Every "refutation" of A+B I've from seen from
> credentialed economists is in refutation of this
> "straw man theorem" from H.M.M., and others before
> him who should have known better.  I've found several
> hundred textbooks, mostly from the 1920s and 30s,
> mostly notably from Friedrich Hayek in the early 30s,
> who greatly influenced Keynes (who at the time was
> leaning toward Douglas's position in this graduate
> lectures), but also into the 90s in Heilbroner's
> macro texts, with the very same specious argument. 
> H.M.M.'s complete ignorance made their task much
> easier.
>
> The false assumption to the economist's "refutation"
> is the assumption that the economy remains unchanged
> through time.  But it is quite adequate to defeat the
> theorem as presented by H.M.M.
> -
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- "Wallace M. Klinck" <
wmklinck@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > I think that Martin has expressed the essentials
> > succinctly.  Copied below is a somewhat expanded
> > discussion in plain English of Douglas's A + B
> > Theorem and the concept and application of the Just
> > Price.  Wally
> >
> >
> >
> > THE STRUGGLE FOR MONEY
> >
> >
> > A Study of the struggle which is the underlying root
> > cause of all the world's troubles and problems, from
> > poverty to world-wars and the hydrogen bomb; and is
> > quite insane and unnecessary. Who at present owns,
> > and who ought to own, all money and credit, asks the
> > author--the Banks, the Government or the Consuming
> > Public?
> >
> >
> > BY
> >
> >
> > H.M.M.
> >
> [snipped]
>
>
>
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