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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Reply to Keith Wilde X 2
Date:Sunday, April 24, 2005  10:05:26 (-0400)
From:Keith Wilde <keithwilde @.........ca>

A couple of 'green' remarks from Keith:
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Subject: [socialcredit] Reply to Keith Wilde X 2

Having dropped a snide remark about "label thinking",  it would be unseemly for me to quibble about the precise one now applied to scientific methodology.  Provided it means testing against reality rather than pure untested deductions, then I am happy.  If I stand corrected,  so be it, it does not affect the thrust of my argument.  But I do hope Keith's source is not an anti-evolutionist "scientist" from a US mid-western college.

If you haven't heard of Ernst Mayr, you probably have heard of Google.  Give it a try.

And scientists are regularly running tests of Einstein's work in space experiments etc.

Anyone who isn't sure what we are talking about could get an excellent indication from either of two sources:  a. The US Biological Science Curriculum Studies "blue version", "Molecules to Man", about 1970, or b. the Sherlock Holmes stories.  The first undoubtedly contained it in the first chapter of the book as a reaction to "put downs" from physical sicentists about our "imprecise sciences";  someone  else may care to guess at Conan Doyle's motivation.

And Keith does not have to look forward to empirical tests,  because Vic Bridger's excellent contributions contain many examples where predictioins based on the Douglas analysis have proved correct. 

Where did I say that I wanted empirical tests? I am quite content with what I understand of Douglas' deductive apparatus--which I am pretty sure had empirical foundations in his own thinking. My comments were about where I conceive empirical effort to have the greatest potential impact for promoting the policy.

 But I will mention again the stagflation problem if he wishes one scrap.

Finally, may I bring up the totally invented story of the motorist who went to an economist mechanic when his car stalled.  Mechanic DEDUCED from the symptoms that the fault was certainly electrical and replaced the whole ignition system.  And the car still didn't go.  So, several hundred dollars poorer, the motorist went down the street to the Socred mechanic,  who thought "Looks like an electrical fault,  but I'll check". Checking a spark plug, which had a beautiful blue spark SUGGESTED (didn't prove) that his first hypothesis was wrong.  So he took the alternative one, that the fuel system was faulty, and  behold, no fuel was reaching the motor. So his next hypothesis was a line blockage,  but being truly (INDUCTIVE, or ..) he dipped the tank, to find it was empty, and had to ditch that one too.  Being knowledgeable, he asked the motorist if he could have been misled by a fuel gauge permanently showing "full"?  To leave out the next hypothesis and cut the story a bit shorter, he soldered up the broken lead from the tank unit to it and charged the motorist about ten dollars before he went off happily.  (It really was an electrical fault, but not the one DEDUCED by the first operator.)

What point are you trying to make by reciting this example of the bitter humor of a self-satisfied, political-religious minority who is certain that they have THE truth of the universe and also that they are totally misunderstood and persecuted by the ignorant and hostile mass of everyone else?  The only point you have in fact made is that you perceive yourself to be among one of those groups. 

Before someone tells me modern cars have computers and different methodology, I'll agree.  But from the point of view of a typical do-it-yourself Kiwi working on the wonderful old Chrysler Valiants formerly produced in Australasia, it is dead accurate.

The only message I can infer from this (above) is that social crediters are the only sociologists who know how to work like a good mechanic. Is that what you mean?

For the first situation in it,  (first situation in what? I don't get the drift here.) perhaps one could substitute the "trickle down" theory associated with the modern monetarist approach to economics? You won't get any reaction from me by criticizing "standard" economics, because I have no defensive feelings about it--or much interest in it. On the other hand, I do have an aversion to joining in with jeering mobs. If you or other believers find my comments critical, you should not infer that they are directed against Douglas or his analyses. Interpret them instead as a critique of your merchandising technique. 

John R.


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