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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Reply to Keith Wilde X 2 -continuing.
Date:Wednesday, April 27, 2005  21:10:16 (+0000)
From:John G Rawson <johngrawson @.......com>

Banks need reserves to handle payments to which their loans may be deposited. Their deposits are their liabilities.  It would be  a great type of business that needs liabilities to back its loans!

John R.

>From: Deus Ex Machina <vicc@cia.com.au> >Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com >To: socialcredit@elistas.com >Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Reply to Keith Wilde X 2 -continuing. >Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:33:23 +1000 > >Jessop Sutton [sutton@kingsley.co.za] wrote: > > On Monday 25 Apr 2005 11:10 am, Trevor Crosbie wrote (quoting the Minister of > > Finance): > > > Finally, you question the lawfulness of the lending activities of New > > > Zealand banks. I can assure you that banks are required to be registered > > > by the Reserve Bank and their books have to balance. In particular, banks > > > do not create credit like a central bank. When banks make loans they are > > > lending the money creditors have deposited with them. > > > I believe this correspondence has gone as far as it can. Unless you have > > > anything substantially new to add, I must now consider this matter closed. > > > Yours sincerely > > > Signed by Hon Dr Michael Cullen > > > Hon Dr Michael Cullen > > > Minister of Finance > > ========================== > > > > I am sorry, but I think we are simply playing with words. In a sense the > > Minister is correct (and so are most citizens who are supposed 'not to > > understand') -- a bank does not 'create' (I hate the term!) any money except > > on the basis of deposits made with it by clients. If a bank had no > > depositers, it could make no loans; there would be no multiplier possibility. > > Why is this such a problem? Does this really make any difference to the > > Social Credit argument? > >the problem is here your definition of money. in modern society money >is entirely trust. there is no backing for money, in days gone by >bits of paper where promisory notes for stuff of real value, so what >the banks where seen to be doing is issuing multiple promisory notes >on the same backing. this gives the impression of creating money >if you consider money to be the underlying stuff that has value, like gold. > >creating credit without a gold backing gives the illusion that money is created. > >this view is superflous in modern society because there is no backing >of behind money, other then the trust that money can be exchanged >for goods and services. where money is deemed worthless without a >backing then credit effectively invents new money. in modern society >the collateral behind a loan is the thing of value behind money tha tis >used as a mortgage. so new money is not created. things that are assets are >simply monetised. they become the backing behind money. > >Vic > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >You're subscribed to this list with the email johngrawson@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe, send a message to >socialcredit-unsubscribe@elistas.com >For more information, visit http://www.eListas.com/list/socialcredit


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