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John, I want say for the record that that your
characterization of the League of Rights, for whatever reasons, as
"fascist" is erroneous and/or outrageous. I personally knew Eric Butler
and have attended many addresses and seminars which he presented going back to
the 1960s--and I have read most of what he has written. On no occasion
have I ever seen the slightest indication of any support of fascism.
Indeed, he has been consistently opposed to all forms of totalitarianism,
whether fascist, socialist/communist/Bolshevik or otherwise. My
observation has been that this is the formal position of the League and has been
for as long as it has existed. This is consistent with Douglas from his
earliest writings.
This is the sort of smear by policitians who will
violate almost any ethics in the interests of capturing and maintaining
political office. It is the sort of tactic which has brought matters to an
unfortunate passe where the very word "politician" is almost a curse on the lips
of a large and growing body of citizens. I might add that Eric Butler
rendered military service in the war against fascism. The League of
Rights, and other non-party activists, have done much to preserve and
disseminate Douglas's original works, which task if left to political party
elements claiming to be "Social Credit" would have resulted in these works being
abandoned long ago to the dustbin of history. Here in Alberta under
the "Social Credit" Government the original Douglas texts fell
into disuse and disapproval; some, I understand on good authority, were
even incinerated.
The League of Rights, unlike political parties of
all stripes whose primary (and corrupting) objective is the capture,
preservation and enhancement of power, is a
service organization participated in by people who seek no reward other than the
satisfaction of working conscientiously in good faith for the public good,
as they see it, along the lines advocated by Social Credit--which involves
the dispersion of power among individual citizens. Perhaps if your
previous Leader had possessed sufficient dedication to the right principles and
the integrity or courage to stand for them he would not have been "embarrassed"
by the misrepresentations of militant elements dedicated to opposing Social
Credit philosophy and policy at every opportunity.
As for the allegation of "anti-semitism" (sic) I am
surprised that you would give credence to a form of psycho-political warfare
based upon the misleading use of language pursued by means of the dialectical
interplay of words--a typical communist tactic. If you want to learn more
about this subject, I suggest that you immerse yourself in the reading not only
of Communist texts but also of early (19th Century) Zionist literature in order
to find out something about the employment of word usuage as this relates to
meanings and strategy. There can be no synthesis witout a
thesis and antithesis.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:18
PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Guernsey --
Wally (referencing in Social Credit documents)
Just in passing, the League of Rights here was or is a neo-fascist
anti-semitic group and a possible implicit link was the reason one of our
previous Leaders, Bruce Beetham, persuaded us to drop the term "Political
League" and adopt "Party". When in Parliament, it was used to embarass
him. What some saw as a bad move was based on the best of reasons.
Just historical info.
John R. >From:
"Wallace M. Klinck" <wmklinck@shaw.ca> >Reply-To:
socialcredit@elistas.com >To: socialcredit@elistas.com >Subject: Re:
[socialcredit] Guernsey -- Wally (referencing in Social Credit documents)
>Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 01:51:54 -0600 > >John, > >I agree that
although it may not be the only criterion relating to the worth of an idea or
statement, referencing should be complete and precise insofar as possible. I
believe that in this respect you would be relatively pleased with the Canadian
edition of British author John W. Hughes recent 300-page book, "Major Douglas:
The Policy of a Philosophy:" (Edmonton: Brightest Pebble Publishing, 2004)
Refer: herb@brightest-pebble.com . The book is a very attractive,
professionally produced and bound paperback which retails at about $34.95 Cdn.
(I would expect that it is, or will be, available from the Australian League
of Rights for those who might prefer to order "down under.") The
printer-publisher has a long history of producing both popular and academic
works. > >As to Guernsey, I have sent a direct request to the Guernsey
Government office enquiries@tax.gov.gg, worded as below (No reply, for what it
may be worth, has been received in the short time since this enquiry was
sent.): > >Dear Sir/Madam, > >Inasmuch as there is a considerable
discussion and debate on the Internet regarding the so-called "Guernsey
Experiment", popularized by Olive and Jan Gruibiak in their book entitled "The
Guernsey Experiment", with which I am sure you are familiar, I would like to
enquire as to whether or not the story given in the Grubiaks' book is
essentially a correct account of the financial policy of Guernsey dating back
to the early 1800's? That is to say, did the States Council, facing a need for
considerable physical improvements to the Island and a heavy debt with onerous
interest charges making further borrowing and taxation virtually impossible,
implement a policy of States Notes creation issued without debt or attached
interest charges in order to finance great improvements to the infrastucture
of the Island? Were Notes issued judiciously in this manner and retired, as I
understand the matter, with equal care by the means of import duties as these
public assets depreciated--the end results being an abundance of amenities,
very low taxation, no public debt and a lower price-level than that on the
British mainland? > >Any information which you could provide which might
either confirm or refute the above account would be greatly appreciated
inasmuch as this aspect of Guernsey's historical public financial policy has
become widely promulgated, discussed and debated on the Internet--and setting
the record straight would, I think, provide a valuable public service. >
>Yours very sincerely > >Wallace M. Klinck > ----- Original
Message ----- > From: John G Rawson > To: socialcredit@elistas.com >
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:53 PM > Subject: [socialcredit] Guernsey
> > > I have several times in different places expressed my despair
at the looseness of so many Socred writers in not "referencing" their quotes
precisely. By contrast, the communists have always done this superbly, even if
their references may often have been to lies told by other communists. S now
we are faced with a situation with reference to Guernsey where one side says
it's a myth and the other claims it is well documented but doesn't produce the
documentation. (Sorry, Don., it's not you, it's the original literature.) >
> So we are reduced to the situation where the "myth" exists as a
hypothesis to be disproved. > > I would therefore like our Moderator to
produce his proof: > > 1. That the construction of the Guernsey
marketplace was not financed debt-free by redeemable (bonds), and, > >
2. That it was financed either on loan or by finance provided by pirates or
whatever. > > I'm not interested in a reference to a modern website. If
you looked at an (in)appropriate NZ Govt. one I am sure you would get the
inference at least that banks always lend savings. > > > John R. >
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