| Subject: | [socialcredit] A Question of Public Relations | | Date: | Tuesday, May 3, 2005 04:59:33 (-0700) | | From: | William B. Ryan <w_b_ryan @.....com>
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"If this group list is prepared to take seriously one
person's baseless criticism of both Social Credit and
monetary reform, and completely disregard the scores
of pages of material, in this instance, written about
the Guernsey Experiment, by a number of different
writers and community minded people, then the
likelihood of this list serving any useful purpose is
zilch."
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The "scores of material" by "a number of different
writers" feed off material dating no earlier than the
second half of the nineteenth century (the era of the
Greenbacker Political Movement in the United States),
that put quotation marks around statements attributed
to well-known and respected people (Franklin,
Jefferson, Lincoln, in the case of Guernsey--Daniel
de Lisle Brock, etc.) who died decades earlier, that
were channeled from those dead people through séances
(I'm serious!). Or just made up.
It is--or was--clever propaganda, embellished with
each round of retelling. You like it because it fits
your personal prejudices, or world-view. So you
accept it uncritically.
It is however very counter-productive to accept it
uncritically. In this day of the Internet, truth
will out: fraud and deception--whether or not it
originated with you personally--will come back and
bite you. And it's unnecessary. The case, if sound,
can be made without it. But it does have to be rock
solid, for I will assure you it will be subject to
cross-examination by your detractors. So why not let
it all hang out now, BEFORE your detractors get their
hands on it?
The movement for "Monetary Reform," in its various
permutations, simply has to cast off the kookiness
and nuttiness that surrounds it, to have any real
hope of future success. Any "taint" of anti-Semitism
has to be cast off. Cast off everything that is not
essential to the core beliefs. Keep it simple,
stupid.
It's a question of public relations: How to persuade
and influence people. You won't get very far--and
haven't--doing your best to fit the image of the
stereotypical crank.
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--- donzbeth@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> Dear Henry& Kindred Spirits,
>
> Congratulations on your initiative in ordering some
> copies for Godzone of
> "The Policy of a Philosophy". That angle was one
> which hooked me into S.C.
> in "The Elements of Social Credit" textbook, with
> almost half of the total
> book dissecting, promoting and applying the
> scientic (engineering)
> philosophies without a single mention of money, till
> later chapters.
>
> Please send me a copy of your import as soon as it
> is available, and include
> on its C.O.D.
> Invoice a copy of the newly acquired book by Louis
> Even , which Mrs
> Sandford had on show (presumably from you) at our
> April S.C.Institute
> Meeting at her home. Member John Gibson asked me
> to get a copy for him
> when next in touch with you. I'll deliver it to
> him . Send them to me
> please, preferably to P.O. Box 910, Hamilton.(Age
> of Plenty?)
>
> Your initiative in communicating directly with an
> Officer in the States of
> Guernsey asking for details on the use of interest
> free credit seems fine,
> but don't hold your breath on getting something
> interesting or helpful. The
> chances are it will be similar to what you would get
> from the N.Z. Minister
> of Finance if you currently wrote him for details
> of what extent the Labour
> Government in N.Z. made of the credit creating
> capacity of the N.Z.
> Reserve Bank. Firstly, Electronz actually has a
> copy of a letter from him
> which asserts that banks only lend deposits -
> which we both know is
> absolute rubbish, but it makes him
> look good to the banking spin doctors. Secondly, if
> pressed, Dr. Cullen
> will assert that while a previous Labour Government
> may have recklessly
> played around with credit creation, it now only
> uses "responsible"
> policies which are internationally acceptable....
>
> But again, you and I know that the greatest boom in
> N.Z.'s living standards
> was associated with the extensive use of Reserve
> Bank credit by the first
> Labour Government. From a different and probably
> more logical viewpoint,
> among the 36 emails in my box this week referring
> to the Guernsey
> Experiment, virtually all relate to one or more of
> 6 writers or
> politicians who contend and apparently believe that
> locally created notes/
> credit/bonds/ debt, or whatever nomenclature is
> chosen, to finance the
> physical infrastructure of the place, converting it
> from virtual bankruptcy
> into a thriving community. On the other hand we
> have one only verbose
> correspondent who rails against the absence of
> sources and references, and
> then immediately in his own arrogant way, and with a
> total absence of
> credible support or references, damns them as
> "mythology" from the pro
> Lincoln group thousands of miles across the
> Atlantic.
>
> If this group list is prepared to take seriously one
> person's baseless
> criticism of both Social Credit and monetary
> reform, and completely
> disregard the scores of pages of material , in this
> instance, written about
> the Guernsey Experiment, by a number of different
> writers and community
> minded people, then the likelihood of this list
> serving any useful purpose
> is zilch. It's also just been drawn to my
> attention that the textbook by
> R. Rands,
> "The Problem of Money" as reprinted several times in
> other countries, also
> contains a 1.5
> page summary of that experiment, which matches all
> the main points already
> covered.
>
> But in case anyone wants to hit me again with a non
> sequitur stick by saying
> that Guernsey was not Social Credit, let me get in
> first, and emphasize that
> what was done in Guernsey, and Worgyl, and lots of
> other places detailed in
> "Money the Decisive Factor" by a couple of highly
> respected U.K. monetary
> researchers, was a demonstration that idle
> resources could be mobilized to produce community
> assets by the proper use
> of community credit, without having to borrow it at
> interest from the
> banks. By coincidence if you like, this is entirely
> consistent with the
> Douglas philosophy of managing the "Ticket System"
> of money as a mechanism,
> to achieve specific and desirable results.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Raynel
> [mailto:henry.raynel@actrix.gen.nz]
> Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2005 11:14
> To: Wallace M. Klinck; socialcredit@elistas.com
> Cc: Trevor Crosby; Stephnie de Ruyter; Rodney
> Shakespeare; Peter Haines;
> Neville Aitchison; Lowell Manning; John Rabarts;
> John Pemberton; John G
> Rawson; errol Baird; Doug lever; Don Bethune; David
> Wilson; Bill Daly; Barry
> Raynel; Peter Raynel; Trevor Barnard; Holmes Gary;
> Robert Hislop; Garry
> Knapp; Geoffrey Lawn >; Ray Palmer; N.Z. Democratic
> Party
> Subject: RE: [socialcredit] Guernsey -- Wally
> (referencing in Social
> Credit documents)
>
>
> Hello Wally & John,
> John W Hughes new book "Major Douglas" "The Policy
> of a Philosophy" I have
> taken the risk of buying a few for the New Zealand
> market and it sells at
> $49.95 plus packing and postage.$55.00 posted.
>
> Henry Raynel.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wallace M. Klinck
> [mailto:wmklinck@shaw.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 April 2005 7:52 p.m.
> To: socialcredit@elistas.com
> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Guernsey -- Wally
> (referencing in Social
> Credit documents)
>
>
> John,
>
> I agree that although it may not be the only
> criterion relating to the
> worth of an idea or statement, referencing should be
> complete and precise
> insofar as possible. I believe that in this respect
> you would be relatively
> pleased with the Canadian edition of British author
> John W. Hughes recent
> 300-page book, "Major Douglas: The Policy of a
> Philosophy:" (Edmonton:
> Brightest Pebble Publishing, 2004) Refer:
> herb@brightest-pebble.com . The
> book is a very attractive, professionally produced
> and bound paperback which
> retails at about $34.95 Cdn. (I would expect that it
> is, or will be,
> available from the Australian League of Rights for
> those who might prefer to
> order "down under.") The printer-publisher has a
> long history of producing
> both popular and academic works.
>
> As to Guernsey, I have sent a direct request to
> the Guernsey Government
> office enquiries@tax.gov.gg, worded as below (No
> reply, for what it may be
> worth, has been received in the short time since
> this enquiry was sent.):
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
> Inasmuch as there is a considerable discussion
> and debate on the
> Internet regarding the so-called "Guernsey
> Experiment", popularized by
> Olive and Jan Gruibiak in their book entitled "The
> Guernsey Experiment",
> with which I am sure you are familiar, I would like
> to enquire as to whether
> or not the story given in the Grubiaks' book is
> essentially a correct
> account of the financial policy of Guernsey dating
> back to the early 1800's?
>
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