| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Guernsey | | Date: | Thursday, May 5, 2005 08:01:41 (-0700) | | From: | William B. Ryan <w_b_ryan @.....com>
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"Olive herself told me that even their continued
interest and contacts were eventually rebuffed. At the
end they were warned off.
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Ken, will you please expand on this?
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"The idea of community debt was, and is abhorrent to
them."
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Then how do you explain the word "debt" in reference
to the note issue in the 1829 document appended to the
Grubiak text?
--- Kenneth Palmerton
<kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
> In-Reply-To: <006301c550c7$e04724c0$0100a8c0@DESK>
> Dear Tim Knight.
>
> I do not know if you have ever received my comments
> on this issue in the
> recent, or late past.
>
> If not, I think you should at least listen to the
> comments I have drawn
> from a long study of this issue.
>
> If you HAVE received what has been written, then I
> think you are being
> mischievous at the least, and deliberately
> distorting at worst. For
> whatever reason, of what is well known and better
> understood.
>
> To use only one source to describe and comment upon
> an expansive system,
> involving a whole group of British Islands, covering
> very nearly a
> Millennium, is reckless in the extreme.
>
> It is no defence, even for the ignorant.
>
> The Grubiacs, both Jan and Olive, were lovely
> people, but by no stretch of
> the imagination would they have described themselves
> as anything other
> than enthusiastic political activists. Involved in
> the Rates Voucher plans
> of their native Glasgow.
>
> Their investigation as an individual couple, was
> initially a part of their
> holiday making activities. It just happens that they
> had heard of an
> interesting situation, that I personally think
> stemmed from the ideas of a
> much earlier political movement in the UK, the
> Chartists. And their
> holiday plans gave the opportunity to investigate.
>
> What they put together, their pamphlet, fitted into
> the investigations and
> monetary reform interests that were going on at the
> time, and this little
> booklet went into many editions. Its unfortunate
> title I think has given
> rise to a misconception about this being an
> "experiment". It is nothing of
> the sort. It describes in n amateur manner what is
> the system of public
> works finance that is still in practice in the whole
> of the remains of
> the Duchy of Normandy, from the earliest days in the
> Tenth Century.
>
> A direct parallel with the Isle of Man. For very
> similar reasons.
>
> I do not know of any attempt to pass this discovery
> off as "Social Credit".
>
> Olive herself told me that even their continued
> interest and contacts were
> eventually rebuffed. At the end they were warned
> off.
>
> Despite the references to duties upon spirits, and
> the limitations of the
> detailed plans of reconstruction after the
> Napoleonic wars, the idea of
> the States, the islands Parliament borrowing did not
> occur to the islands
> legislators.
>
> The States create, print, circulate, and withdraw a
> currency that MAY have
> been couched in language that is sometimes less
> than unambiguous, but the
> explanation is the level of opposition from
> developing private banking.
> Who were well aware that their opportunities to
> exploit the needs of the
> people for a circulating medium of exchange was
> being threatened by
> community knowledge and action.
>
> The idea of community debt was, and is abhorrent to
> them.
>
> That opposition to common sense from private
> interests has only increased
> over the years, and is now intense indeed. Helped
> greatly by propaganda,
> and the fading away of the ordinary persons
> understanding of what their
> forebears knew in detail.
>
> How is it that I know this? because I was born and
> bred in the larger of
> the Island group. And the eventual opportunity to
> study just why it was
> that in the last generation the rich had emigrated
> to the Islands to take
> advantage of its very low tax status. Resulting in
> my not being able to
> afford property there, eventually brought to light
> the records, and the
> reasoning.
>
> A reasoning that the Grubiacs had only hinted at.
>
> Ken.
>
>
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