| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Reply to Vic Bridger from Joe . | | Date: | Tuesday, May 17, 2005 08:08:18 (-0700) | | From: | Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
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Hi Vic,
And many thanks for your reply. Yes, I would be interested in receiving all
the lectures, if possible. And getting them a few at a time would be fine.
I already have Tudor Jones' "Elements of Social Credit" here in hard copy.
It's very well done, and I'm sure anything you've added to expand on it
will be most helpful in making Social Credit even more familiar to me, and
well worth studying. Thanks again.
Best wishes,
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vic Bridger" <socred@ecn.net.au>
To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Replying to Vic Bridger (and including all on
this list).
> Hi Joe,
> The lectures you referred to from the web site were elementary lectures
made
> as simple as possible for a reader to understand. The lectures I offered
> Jessop were a series of lectures including those of Dr. Tudor Jones in his
> "Elements of Social Credit". The latter were intersperced with other
> lectures at appropriate times to take a student through gradually on
various
> topics and were designed for students who were interested in obtaining an
> Associates Certificate. This is no longer operating due to changes in the
> Social Credit Secretariat. I was appointed as Director of Lectures and
> Studies to the Secretariat many years ago but resigned after a change in
the
> Chair of the Secretariat. There are three sections each containing
> aprroximately 20 lectures. Not a one night's reading. Of course they were
to
> be read in conjunction with Douglas' books. In addition, I encouraged
> students to read other literature to compare and not just take the SC
> lectures for granted. There were also assignments attached to the
conclusion
> of a number of lectures.
>
> If you are interested I can send them in PDF but probably just a few at a
> time.
> Vic Bridger
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Thomson" <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca>
> To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Replying to Vic Bridger (and including all on
> this list).
>
>
> > Hi Vic,
> >
> > I once accessed some lectures from your SCSofS website, which were in
the
> > nature of a 'short course' on Social Credit, and which I found quite
> > helpful. Are those the same material you've offered to Jessop? If so,
or
> > even if not, I would be most interested in receiving them (again?),
since
> > the ones I'd previously printed I've lent out to another fellow here who
> was
> > interested in what 'genuine' Social credit had to offer. Many thanks.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Vic Bridger" <socred@ecn.net.au>
> > To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Replying to Vic Bridger (and including all
on
> > this list).
> >
> >
> > > Dear Jessop,
> > > I made the offer to send some lectures on Social Credit which if
studied
> > in
> > > full would have assisted in your understanding. I am sorry that I was
> > under
> > > the misapprehension that you wanted to learn about Social Credit, both
> the
> > > principles contained in what we refer to the Philosophy of Social
Credit
> > and
> > > the Policy proposals which would see the attainment of the objective
> i.e.
> > > those principles.
> > >
> > > I now realise that you were (are) looking for a quick fix and thought
> that
> > > Social Credit would be able to fit into your agenda. I am again sorry
> that
> > > you should have thought this possible. Social Credit is not a quick
fix
> > for
> > > all problems in this world but it would certainly go a long way to
> > > correcting the problems associated with the results of a flawed
> financial
> > > system and its effect on people who are not receiving the benefit of
> their
> > > association, one with another.
> > >
> > > Douglas did not expect to see his proposals adopted in his lifetime
and
> I
> > do
> > > not have any greater hope to see acceptance in my lifetime. that does
> not
> > > mean that we give up because we cannot make some people understand or
> > attain
> > > a position of strength where we may be able to force it. However, I am
> > > absolutely confident that it will come because events will force it to
> be
> > > recognized and adopted. Like many discoveries throughout history which
> > have
> > > all had their detractors but finally accepted Social Credit proposals
> will
> > > see the day. Its delay like all other denied discoveries is a result
of
> > > ignorance and an unwillingness to learn and understand. In most cases
it
> > is
> > > because of a lack of good common sense. Descartes the philosopher
said:
> > >
> > > "Good sense is of all things in the world the most equally
distributed,
> > for
> > > everybody thinks himself so abundantly provided with it, that even
those
> > > most difficult to please in all other matters do not commonly desire
> more
> > of
> > > it than they already possess".
> > >
> > > All Social Crediters would dearly love to see it "up and running" but
> > > unfortunately those who have the capacity, desire and understanding to
> > > recognize what is required to see it to fruition are few indeed.
Douglas
> > was
> > > once asked how many Social Crediters there were in the world in his
time
> > and
> > > he replied that they could be counted on the fingers of one hand. I
> > believe
> > > this sentiment still exists.
> > >
> > > Over the many years of my involvement I have witnessed a number of
> people
> > > who wanted to bring about a situation that Social Credit policy would
> > effect
> > > and all have wanted it yesterday. The major problem was an
unwillingness
> > to
> > > learn and understand. One student who started studying with me had a
> > Diploma
> > > in Education and a Degree in both Economics and Commerce. After a few
> > > lectures came the necessity to do assignments. He phoned me and told
me
> > that
> > > he could not continue because it meant that he would have to "unlearn"
> all
> > > that he had been taught and he was not prepared to do that.
> > >
> > > I am somewhat confused at your statement "If I thought I could see SC
up
> > and
> > > running somewhere in the world before I die, I might have a differnet
> > > (different?) view". This seems to suggest that you would only accept
> > > something if it was demonstrated to you as true without the necessity
to
> > > help bring it about. I appears to be like those people who would only
> > > believe in God if they could be shown a miracle.What is evident is a
> lack
> > of
> > > faith i.e. (in a non theological sense) a belief founded on authority.
> > > There is sufficient evidence to support a belief in Social Credit
> founded
> > on
> > > the best authority of all; induspitable facts.
> > > Vic Bridger
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jessop Sutton" <sutton@kingsley.co.za>
> > > To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:08 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Replying to Vic Bridger (and including all
> on
> > > this list).
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sunday 08 May 2005 6:04 am, Vic Bridger wrote:
> > > > > For your further assistance I am prepared to send directly to you
> some
> > > > > lectures that were compiled a few years ago when I conducted an
> > advance
> > > > > course for students who wished to fully understand the subject of
> > Social
> > > > > Credit. These are available only to those who have shown a genuine
> > > desire
> > > > > to learn about Social Credit.
> > > > > Vic Bridger
> > > > =============================
> > > >
> > > > Dear Vic,
> > > > Thank you for your reply. I appreciate it. However, I will not be
> > pursuing
> > > the
> > > > Social Credit subject, so I need really not trouble you any further.
> > > >
> > > > I came across the subject quite by chance at a time when I grandly
> > > imagined I
> > > > had come up with a more efficient tax-gathering system which I had
> > > proposed
> > > > to out Minister of Finance with whom I had been in correspondence. I
> > was,
> > > as
> > > > a good citizen, looking for a way that would even the tax burden
over
> > the
> > > > broadest base and at the same time eliminate the many ways by which
> the
> > > > higher-earners can avoid tax with the ready and able assistance of
the
> > > army
> > > > of Tax Consultants. The middle-earners end up making a
> disproportionate
> > > > contribution to the State Revenue. Then when I read 'Social Credit'
by
> > > Major
> > > > Douglas I jumped at it thinking: Wow!! This is it!
> > > >
> > > > However, the more I listen in to the discussions on the List, the
more
> > > obvious
> > > > it is that, even when my own objections have been overcome, it is
not
> > > going
> > > > to be an instant solution to the large discrepancy in quality of
life
> > that
> > > > exists today between those who are wage-earners and those who have
no
> > > source
> > > > of income at all other than grants they receive from the state.
> > > >
> > > > If I thought I could see SC up and running somewhere in the world
> before
> > I
> > > > die, I might have a differnet view -- but I don't see that
happening.
> In
> > > the
> > > > meantime our government, consisting mainly of the movement that
> brought
> > > some
> > > > freedom and democracy to this country, is doing quite a good job of
> > > juggling
> > > > the demands of our global partners on the one hand and, on the other
> > hand,
> > > > the need to develope localised industry to serve the marginalised
> > majority
> > > of
> > > > our citizens. Nelson Mandela and his compatriots set something good
> in
> > > > motion which I -- and others lacking in a certain Afro-pessimism
that
> > > > bedevils some -- are watching play out in our country. So I will now
> > leave
> > > it
> > > > to them.
> > > >
> > > > However, I will still be on the list listening in to the
discussions.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Jessop.
> > >
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