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Subject:RE: [socialcredit] scale in a+b
Date:Thursday, June 30, 2005  21:25:54 (+0000)
From:John G Rawson <johngrawson @.......com>

The whole economy is not just a consumer production system. There is the banking system, that produces no consumer products that have not been costed into industry elsewhere and which nowadays to a greater and greater extent finances consumption rather than production.   There are government agencies, central and local.

The step, "therefore this applies to the whole economy" is hypothetical,  as evident from the immensely lengthy discussion here, at best difficult to show deductively, but just plain simple if tested inductively against reality.

As Vic Bridger said, "It has proved itself."  Why on Earth do we continue to confuse ourselves and outsiders with lengthy, tedious, unnecessary argument about debatable detail?

Refgards.   John R.




>From: Triumphofthepast@aol.com
>Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com
>To: socialcredit@elistas.com
>Subject: [socialcredit] scale in a+b
>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:29:27 EDT
>
>"In the industries [Douglas] studied, final costs were higher than the sum of
>wages, salaries and dividends paid out. . . . Does this apply to the whole
>economy?" (Rawson, June 25)
>
>A key point. The "theorem" starts out talking about "a manufacturing
>undertaking." But the statement "A will not purchase A+B" subtly shifts scale
>because we wouldn't really expect the employees of a manufacturing undertaking to
>buy all the product. Rather, the whole economy is now being thought of as a
>consumer production system, a manufacturing undertaking -- which it is.
>
>The analogy wouldn't be very appropriate if by "manufacturing undertaking" he
>meant only a single company producing a final consumer good. It would be
>appropriate if he meant the whole chain of companies that produce a final
>consumer good -- and indeed he must have meant that because their costs are included
>in the price.
>
>If one can understand the "theorem" in terms of a chain of companies, then
>the step to the economy as a whole is an easy one.
>
>Of course, if one tries to understand the "theorem" that way, the first thing
>one runs up against is the "threat" that A in that case WILL be able to
>purchase A+B! I suggest that instead of retreating before this "threat," we
>consider UNDER WHAT CONDITION in a chain of companies A will not purchase A+B.
>Answer: under condition of improving efficiency -- a theme so central to Douglas
>that its lack of explicit mention in the "theorem" should have caused remark.
>
>
>If we allow the norm of improving efficiency as the silent assumption in the
>"theorem," it works for a chain of companies considered as a manufacturing
>undertaking, and it equally works for the economy as a whole considered as a
>manufacturing undertaking.
>
>This is the argument of my contributed chapter to the upcoming new edition of
>Anthony Cooney's "Social Credit: Economics."
>
>Michael
>
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