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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] dividend, cultural heritage
Date:Friday, July 1, 2005  11:09:26 (-0600)
From:Jim <jschroeder @....ca>
In reply to:Message 2039 (written by Triumphofthepast)

Hi Michael:
 
"Since I think of you, Jim, as the Philosopher of our little group, maybe you won't mind if I ask you to rethink something."
 
Thank you, and before I respond, I want you to think about something.
 
The only difference between the opinion of myself and Mr. Ryan boils down to the difference between necessary and sufficient causes.
 
If B is growing relative to A due to advancing technology, that is a sufficient cause to explain the gap created in A+B.  However; it's not a necessary cause.
 
Other than that, I agree with almost everything Mr. Ryan has to say about advancing technology, and the A+B theorem.  I just don't agree that in order for A+B to be true, technology must be advancing, and B must be growing in relation to A.
 
Take care,
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:15 AM
Subject: [socialcredit] dividend, cultural heritage

Since I think of you, Jim, as the Philosopher of our little group, maybe you won't mind if I ask you to rethink something.

Think of B-payments as ESSENTIALLY reimbursements for past A-payments.  Then improving efficiency would simply be A falling over time.  This is better than to speak of "B growing relative to A."  The latter might suggest that all you have to do is increase the proportion of payments to organizations in your budget and you are automatically more efficient.

"It's a dividend of cultural heritage, and can include processes."

If the conclusion of the A+B Theorem is the necessity of the dividend/compensated price, and it's a dividend of cultural heritage, then the gap that leads to the necessity for the dividend ought to be driven by the cultural heritage, rather than people's arbitrary decision to invest money rather then spend it. 

Hence the relevance of the "burden of Atlas" quote, which refers to the dividend ("set free") and countless others like it.  It is "implied" in the same way that your investment-of-savings assumption is "implied," that is, it is in Douglas but outside the wording of the "theorem."

I was, by the way, surprised that you twice mentioned the primacy/rights of individuals as an example of something that has nothing to do with A+B.  I think it has everything to do with it.  The dividend is our economic right and would establish the primacy of the individual consumer.

Once and for all, production merely to distribute money was never an issue between us and was never what this conversation was about, as far as I am concerned.  You don't have to grind corn to eat bread, provided you are satisfied with the sufficiency of your dividend.

Michael

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