| Subject: | [socialcredit] RE: scale in a+b | | Date: | Friday, July 1, 2005 10:39:48 (-0700) | | From: | William B. Ryan <w_b_ryan @.....com>
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| In reply to: | Message 2035 (written by John G Rawson) |
The step, "therefore this applies to the whole
economy" is hypothetical, as evident from the
immensely lengthy discussion here, at best difficult
to show deductively, but just plain simple if tested
inductively against reality.
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The fact that you think it's "plain simple" tells me
you don't understand the theorem whatsoever, and
explains to me why you New Zealanders can recommend
everything (greenbaker stuff) BUT the uniquely Social
Credit solutions (dividend and discount) suggested by
Douglas.
Douglas was himself under no illusion that it was
simple.
The Modernist Journals Project, a joint effort by
Brown University and the University of Tulsa,
http://www.modjourn.brown.edu/MJP_NA.htm
has put on-line the New Age issues published under
Orage, which includes much of Douglas' early work,
including the full text of his first two
books--Economic Democracy and Credit-Power and
Democracy. I can now say confidently that the
suppression of the Douglas thought (mostly by
self-styled social crediters) in the half century
since his death is ended. This early Douglas work is
now in the public domain, unequivocally, and may be
freely distributed, reproduced and discussed
throughout the world.
The September 25, 1919 issue contains a diagram drawn
by Douglas which contains this caption:
http://www.geocities.com/socredus/diagram
:-
_In the above diagram the shaded portion shows the
growth of the cost of an article (or, equally, of the
production of a community) under the bank-credit (so-
called capitalistic) system, by the successive
addition of all the sums paid out in all forms of
remuneration, as shown in the vertical columns.
_The cross-hatched portion of the vertical columns
shows the money-value of the cost of living of the
persons amongst whom the remuneration is distributed;
this represents over 90 per cent. of the sums
distributed as wages and salaries. In the case of
large individual incomes, although considerable
surplus purchasing power is available, there is no
psychological demand, except for the purpose of
"making money." There is consequently an increasing
surplus production which must be met by credit.
_If the above statements are correct for any industry
chosen at random, they must be true for all industry.
Consequently an increasing proportion of the product
of industry must be appropriated by the financier and
the entrepreneur who control credit, in
contradistinction to the ultimate consumer who does
not.
_It should, of course, be borne in mind in connection
with the above diagram that the economic system is
dynamic, not static. All the components of it should
be visualised as changing both in position,
direction, and magnitude. A vector diagram could be
constructed to represent the condition, but it would
not be generally intelligible. C. H. D._
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What Douglas is telling us in the final paragraph is
that the two dimensional diagram is merely suggestive
to us of his very abstract thinking on the matter,
which he conveyed through metaphor and story in the
attempt to make it comprehensible to people like us
with more ordinary gifts.
What I am trying to accomplish (through participation
in various forums) is to find someone, somewhere in
the world, who is capable of picking up Douglas' baton
and carrying it forward into the twenty-first and
future centuries. That requires someone with a
similar intellect and educational foundation to his;
not only that, but the speaking ability and charisma
he must certainly have had, and the drive to succeed.
I have not yet found such a person, present company
included, not excluding myself.
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--- John G Rawson <johngrawson@hotmail.com> wrote:The
whole economy is not just a consumer production
system. There is the banking system, that produces no
consumer products that have not been costed into
industry elsewhere and which nowadays to a greater and
greater extent finances consumption rather than
production. There are government agencies, central
and local.
The step, "therefore this applies to the whole
economy" is hypothetical, as evident from the
immensely lengthy discussion here, at best difficult
to show deductively, but just plain simple if tested
inductively against reality.
As Vic Bridger said, "It has proved itself." Why on
Earth do we continue to confuse ourselves and
outsiders with lengthy, tedious, unnecessary argument
about debatable detail?
Refgards. John R.
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