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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] "Liberty" and Dan Morin
Date:Monday, August 1, 2005  08:24:45 (-0700)
From:Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>

"Liberty", or "freedom",  for Dan's benefit, is described in Social Credit
literature as "the ability to choose or refuse one thing at a time."  Using
the example given below, who would he say has the greater ability to do that
''choosing''? Bill Gates, or the guy on the otherwise unihabited desert
island?  Both, in a sense, are their own 'boss', but which one has greater
'liberty', and why?

Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:45 AM
Subject: [socialcredit] "Liberty" and Dan Morin


> Dan, evidently, you do not know that Austrian
> Economics (particularly the Rothbardian variety you
> seem to favor) is little more than a set of
> ideologically driven assertions, buttressed
> arbitrarily by "definitions" concocted ad hoc, in
> order to give the endeavor the appearance of logical
> consistency.  It is neither science nor economics but
> more in the nature of cultic religion -- a dangerous
> one at that.
>
> What we are getting from you, I'm afraid, is the
> mantra of true belief in a false religion, without
> substance or argumentation whatsoever.
>
> An example in point is this so-called definition we
> got from you the other day:
>
> "Again, let me define liberty for those who don't
> know: the absence of invasion by another man of any
> man's person or property."
>
> By this so-called definition, a man stranded
> permanently on an otherwise uninhabited desert island
> (Perhaps after his yacht inadvertently hit a rock and
> sank?) in the Solomons has more liberty than Bill
> Gates, in his mansion in Seattle, subject to taxes,
> jury duty, etc.
>
> It's a ludicrous, ridiculous definition.
>
> But Austrian Economics is replete with such ludicrous,
> ridiculous definitions.
>
> Stick with us, Dan, if you actually want to learn
> about liberty.
>
> All we ask is that you think.
> -
>
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