|Subject:||[socialcredit] Solomon Islands & Untrustable politicians|
|Date:||Tuesday, August 2, 2005 23:07:40 (+1200)|
|From:||donzbeth <donzbeth @.......nz>
|In reply to:||Message 2346 (written by Martin Hattersley)|
Hello Ken & Martin (from Don Bethune) I must add another dimension to your
discussion about neither politicians nor bankers having sufficient integrity
to act in the interests of the community and without succumbing to greed.
Ponder on two questions: If it were just the matter of deciding how much M1
(National Money Supply) should be in the pool, and authorising credit
creation to raise M1 to that level, the challenge would be fairly straight
forward, and a commission answerable to Parliament could be made responsible
to do it; would it not ? But the "figures" to be created to make up that
deficiency are not just figures, they are legal claims against anything
from taxes, to overseas holidays, family homes in mortgagee sales, etc,
etc, which were created by the sweat and tears of workers; not the banks;
Okay, if the figures can be exchanged for real wealth , who should be able
to exercise that creation prerogative: Banks for the benefit of their super
rich major shareholders; or the government, being the only legal and moral
representatives in democracies of the community which creates the assets ?
With acknowledgements to Einstein's pertinent quote (A problem accurately
defined is half solved), we recognise that the defect with both polies and
bankers is greed and untrustability, so the solution resolves down to
devising or instituting a "control mechanism" which gives the victims/
public the prerogative to either control them, or dismiss them for failure
to discharge their obligations. If school curricula and textbooks were not
filtered and sanitized to "overlook" mechanisms overseas which would upset
the matrix at
home involving the two party political club, the Business Round Table and
the finance industry, if they caught on locally, then you would not be
surprised to learn that the Swiss have had that "control" over their
politicians for over a century. The Swiss Initiative allows just 50,000
voters to require the state to run a referendum on any question they please;
and the government is absolutely bound by the result. But it also allows
them to "recall" MP's who misbehave in the opinion of their constituents,
but because of that power, and the humiliation of it being used, there is
rarely any need for it to be exercised.
Its power was illustrated in a talkback session on NZ Radio years ago when
the then PM Robert Muldoon was asked by a caller why he always spoke
deprecatingly about referendums. Inter alia he replied, I was recently
talking to the President of Switzerland, and he told me that sometimes the
voters with their limited knowledge made less than ideal decisions, despite
the government providing them with for and against summary briefings. I
could understand that, so I asked the President: Then why don't you ignore
the referendum results ?
And his answer was, "The people wouldn't let us !"
Muldoon was a dictatorial character, and he expected the caller to be
But he was temporarily speechless when instead of that she said, "Though you
may not have intended it, Sir, you have definitely answered my question."
Is that not just the sort of hobbles we need for politicians ? The NZ based
campaign for "BCIR" (BINDING Referendums) is a big step in that direction.
The book behind that campaign is "People Power" which we can Airmail
anywhere for just $25- USD, or $27- CAN.
End of Don's comments.
From: Martin Hattersley [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Monday, 1 August 2005 09:48
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Solomon Islands from Electronz - To Kenneth
The strange thing about Canada is that we once had an "Economic Council of
Canada", whose job was to study the economy of Canada without the bias that
we find from either left or right leaning "research" institutions. It
published some valuable reports on what was going on in the country, and
could easily have been developed into the statistical body that is needed.
Perhaps it got too close to the mark. It was terminated as an "economy
measure" in the time of Brian Mulroney as PM. About the only thing in which
economy on the part of his government could be perceived!
EDMONTON AB CANADA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Palmerton" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:08 AM
Subject: RE: [socialcredit] Solomon Islands from Electronz - To Kenneth
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> Having either Politicians or Bankers in control of the issue of the medium
> of exchange are not the only games in town Dan.
> If you are saying that one group are thieves, and the other untrustworthy,
> I would agree with you :-)
> There is the argument concerning the State, as opposed to Parliament to
> This side of the pond we have an institution called the National Physical
> Laboratory. This body has been charged by the State for some time to
> decide the nature and dimensions of our measurements of weight and length.
> No one, to my knowledge, questions their conclusions.
> So why should it be difficult for a similar institution to tell us the
> amount of money we need in circulation at any particular Time ?
> All the information upon which to base this calculation is available to
> the State. In fact no other organisation has such data, or the incentive
> to use it.
> The calculations required are, after all, a matter of " practical
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