| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Switzerland & People Power | | Date: | Friday, August 5, 2005 08:11:28 (-0700) | | From: | William B. Ryan <w_b_ryan @.....com>
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The same question might be asked of Guernsey, also an
international financial center for thieves, gangsters
and dictators to hide their stolen loot.
Why do "monetary reformers" like you hold them both up
as paragons of virtue despite evidence to the
contrary? Are they and you not victims of some
mesmerizing lie? Some very subtle but powerful
propaganda?
And Don, I notice in your diatribe that you elevate
public opinion poles conducted by international mass
media organizations over actual elections, where
people have to go and affirmatively vote.
Regarding the President of the United States, he was
re-elected in November 2004, and his party retained
majority control of both houses of Congress,
regardless of the determination of Reuters.
In America, the Constitution of the United States
prevails, not Reuters.
Thank God for that.
-
--- donzbeth@ihug.co.nz wrote:
Responses from two lifelong Social Crediters ,
including one who also has past MP and legal
"silk"status, at such a superficial level, is
astonishing and disappointing. Well do I remember
when Martin was on a speaking tour of Godzone,
personally hearing him metaphorically tearing strips
of the politicians for allowing the racket of banking
to continue, in which they usurped the prerogative of
sovereign governments to create out of nothing the
figures in their books as their own de facto money,
and lent it to cash strapped businesses, and even
governments who were so ignorant, or into bed with the
finance industry, that they didn't know what was going
on. It was right on the button; galvanizing the
audience with real facts, and saying what we suspected
but doubted we would ever hear it said publicly. (Not
long after that the Social Credit Party reached 31.6%
of support in the Herald-NRB Political Polls under the
dynamic leadership of the late Bruce Beetham; who I
had helped introduce to, and worked with, for Social
Credit.)
However, with your recognition of the money supply
being just "figures" owned by the private banking
system, predominantly in the ownership of a few super
rich families in France, England and USA, your
denigration and writing off of the "Swiss Initiative"
with its several mechanisms which are unique in the
world in controlling the plethora of sleazy and
technically corrupt politicians, simply on the grounds
of allegedly "screwing the rest of the world", acting
as a bank for corrupt dictators, and acquiring nasty
assets out of the 2nd World War.
I should not have to remind either of you that the
seeds of WW 2 were sown in the Empire Preferences
Conference in Ottawa circ 1930-31, where the "Sliding
Scale Tariff Agreements" were signed for the specific
purpose of closing Empire markets to Japan and
Germany, by the use of sky high tariffs against them.
Ironically I use the book, "Wealth, Want & War" (by
Hattersley) when wanting a text that details the
relationship between those 3 phenomena, so I should
be able to take it that you neither consider War as an
Act of God, nor could provide any valid evidence to
justify Switzerland getting involved with it when a
public referendum had specifically re-affirmed her
national neutrality policy. Nor could you reasonably
argue that she should have refused to continue to act
as banker for at least the European participants.
But stepping aside from those trivia from previous
decades, what miniscule part of the very high Swiss
standard of living could you suggest is attributable
to "screwing the rest of the world"?
And surely, with London and NY, then Shanghai &
Beijing all having left Zurich behind in the world
banking stakes, you aren't suggesting that Zurich was
a dominant player in building up the massive and
inhuman "Third World Debt", are you? Even if she were
a major participant in that scandalous racket, even
for a client before the Bar, could you seriously
submit that such a ground could justify avoiding
serious discussion of a mechanism to put a hobble on
politicians?
Recent Opinion Polls, especially one in Australia,
have reported on their "Trustability Index" that
"Politicians' are on the very bottom rung, EVEN below
"Used Car Dealers". In the assessment of yours truly,
and most of my Electronz contacts, the final straw has
been going into Iraq on the basis of false and
fabricated information, contrary to International Law,
when, if the public had been allowed to debate the
issues, they would never have approved it. It is
quite relevant that a Reuters Report of 2nd instant
says that 63% of Americans believe the U.S. is too
quick to go to war, and 75% of respondents have "major
concerns" that those initiatives are generating
international hate, particularly among Moslems, and
thereby increasing the potential for further
Terrorist disasters in USA. You don't have to be an
Einstein to see that.
Another report mentions that an independent group of
investigators in Iraq believe that so far over 100,000
Iraqis, mainly civilians, have been killed since the
initial "Shock & Awe" was launched. That is about
100 times greater than the U.S. led Alliance death
toll. Do you and other participants in this List not
believe that even if "BCIR" has the potential to
prevent just one exercise in international carnage
like that, it would justify serious support?
Furthermore, when the existing financial racket can be
shown as a generator of international strife and wars,
do you not think we should concentrate on exposing and
remedying that malfunction, at a higher priority than
debating the number of holidays per year enjoyed by
serfs in the Middle Ages ?
Don Bethune signs off saying, "I rest my case" -
provocatively, as usual!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Hattersley
> [mailto:hattersleyjm@interbaun.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2005 05:40
> To: socialcredit@elistas.com
> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Switzerland - dumb
> question
>
>
> Isn't the answer that they do very well for their
> citizens by screwing the
> rest of the world? The people of third world
> dictatorships, whose rulers
> invest their loot there, in particular. Let alone
> some rather nasty
> involvement with assets coming from World War II.
>
> Martin Hattersley
> 1970-10123-99 St.,
> EDMONTON AB CANADA
> e-mail: hattersleyjm@interbaun.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Triumphofthepast@aol.com
> To: socialcredit@elistas.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:17 AM
> Subject: [socialcredit] Switzerland - dumb
> question
>
>
> If Switzerland is so great for its citizens, how
> does this square with
> its being one of the world's biggest financial
> centers?
>
> Michael
>
>
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