| Subject: | Re: Fw: RE: [socialcredit] Questions for Ed Dodson | | Date: | Monday, August 22, 2005 16:58:55 (-0600) | | From: | Martin Hattersley <hattersleyjm @.........com>
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A beautiful story!
Now tell me how to stop all these credit card companies propositioning me with
enormous lines of credit that I don't want. I keep telling them so in their
prepaid envelopes, but they don't seem to listen!
Martin Hattersley, 1970 10123 99St.,
EDMONTON AB Canada T5J 3H1
Phone (780)423-4081:Fax (780)425-5247
e-mail: jmartinh@shaw.ca,
hattersleyjm@interbaun.com
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From: W. McGunnigle
To: socialcredit@elistas.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [socialcredit] Questions for Ed Dodson
Hi Martin
It is not often I get a chance to introduce a small amount of
light-hearted comment to our forum, but your recent comments about bankers
enables me to forward to you all an apparently true story about a credit card
company who carried on billing a customer after she had died because she had not
closed her credit account. The attachment covers a conversation between her
nephew and the company when he pointed out to them the futility of their efforts
to screw arrears payments from someone who no longer existed.
I can't help but think it has a pointed lesson to us all about the
present monetary credit system. I hope you all enjoy it.
Bill Mc Gunnigle
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From: Martin Hattersley
To: socialcredit@elistas.com
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [socialcredit] Questions for Ed Dodson
I was thinking rather of putting together a demonstration game that would
teach Georgists how important the monetary system is in influencing what happens
in the economy, and remind Social Crediters that, whether in rents and site
values, or in the issue of a monetary medium, "the private monopolization of
publicly created values" is an matter that needs to be controlled in the interest
of the community.
I once revised the rules of Monopoly so that the Banker was an actual
banker, charging interest on loans, and playing favorites among the players to
help one and hinder another, all with the idea of becoming the monopolist
himself. It was the most depressing game I have ever played, as the economy
spiralled into depression, with cut price property sales, and everything becoming
controlled by the bank.
What was most interesting, when I tried this on another occasion with a
group from Mensa, was the gleam of revelation that spread on people's faces when
they completed the accounting form that created a bank loan, and learned for the
first time how money came into being!
Martin Hattersley, 1970 10123 99St.,
EDMONTON AB Canada T5J 3H1
Phone (780)423-4081:Fax (780)425-5247
e-mail: jmartinh@shaw.ca
----- Original Mesnh@edmcsage -----
From: Adavans@aol.com
To: socialcredit@elistas.com
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [socialcredit] Questions for Ed Dodson
Martin Hattersley wrote
"George, of course, did not go into the money system in any depth at all.
But
the game of "Monopoly" (founded on an earlier "Landlord Game" designed to
illustrate Georgist principles), certainly illustrates the tendency of the
rental of sites to concentrate ownership and bankrupt the majority of
society. Varying the rules so that the Bank is paid rent by those who land
on mortgaged property might make the bridge we need between George and
Douglas."
Mr. Hattersley, I certainly have wanted to see a bridge between Social
Credit and Georgist thought, and I'm happy to see an advocate of Social Credit
suggest where that bridge may be situated. I wonder if you could clarify and
expand upon the underlined portion of your comments above. Are you possibly
suggesting some kind of cooperative land banking such as has been proposed by
Shann Turnbull at COG?
Regards
Alan Avans
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<DIV>A beautiful story!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now tell me how to stop all these credit card companies propositioning me
with enormous lines of credit that I don't want. I keep telling them so in their
prepaid envelopes, but they don't seem to listen!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Martin Hattersley, 1970 10123 99St.,<BR>EDMONTON AB Canada T5J
3H1<BR>Phone (780)423-4081:Fax (780)425-5247<BR>e-mail: <A
href="mailto:jmartinh@shaw.ca">jmartinh@shaw.ca</A>,<BR><A
href="mailto:hattersleyjm@interbaun.com">hattersleyjm@interbaun.com</A><BR></DIV>
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<A title=wmcgunn@maxnet.co.nz href="mailto:wmcgunn@maxnet.co.nz">W.
McGunnigle</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=socialcredit@elistas.com
href="mailto:socialcredit@elistas.com">socialcredit@elistas.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw: RE: [socialcredit]
Questions for Ed Dodson</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Martin</DIV>
<DIV>
It is not often I get a chance to introduce a small amount of light-hearted
comment to our forum, but your recent comments about bankers enables me to
forward to you all an apparently true story about a credit card company who
carried on billing a customer after she had died because she had not
closed her credit account. The attachment covers a conversation between her
nephew and the company when he pointed out to them the futility of their
efforts to screw arrears payments from someone who no longer existed.</DIV>
<DIV> I can't help but think it has
a pointed lesson to us all about the present monetary credit system. I hope
you all enjoy it.</DIV>
<DIV> Bill Mc Gunnigle</DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=hattersleyjm@interbaun.com
href="mailto:hattersleyjm@interbaun.com">Martin Hattersley</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=socialcredit@elistas.com
href="mailto:socialcredit@elistas.com">socialcredit@elistas.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:38
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw: RE: [socialcredit]
Questions for Ed Dodson</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I was thinking rather of putting together a demonstration game that
would teach Georgists how important the monetary system is in influencing
what happens in the economy, and remind Social Crediters that, whether in
rents and site values, or in the issue of a monetary medium, "the private
monopolization of publicly created values" is an matter that needs to be
controlled in the interest of the community.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I once revised the rules of Monopoly so that the Banker was an actual
banker, charging interest on loans, and playing favorites among the players
to help one and hinder another, all with the idea of becoming the monopolist
himself. It was the most depressing game I have ever played, as the economy
spiralled into depression, with cut price property sales, and everything
becoming controlled by the bank.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What was most interesting, when I tried this on another occasion with a
group from Mensa, was the gleam of revelation that spread on people's faces
when they completed the accounting form that created a bank loan, and
learned for the first time how money came into being!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Martin Hattersley, 1970 10123 99St.,<BR>EDMONTON AB Canada
T5J 3H1<BR>Phone (780)423-4081:Fax (780)425-5247<BR>e-mail: <A
href="mailto:jmartinh@shaw.ca">jmartinh@shaw.ca</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=socialcredit@elistas.com
href="mailto:socialcredit@elistas.com">socialcredit@elistas.com</A> </DIV>
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AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw: RE: [socialcredit]
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<DIV>Martin Hattersley wrote<BR><BR><STRONG>"George, of course, did not go
into the money system in any depth at all. But <BR>the game of "Monopoly"
(founded on an earlier "Landlord Game" designed to <BR>illustrate Georgist
principles), certainly illustrates the tendency of the <BR>rental of sites
to concentrate ownership and bankrupt the majority of <BR>society.
<U>Varying the rules so that the Bank is paid rent by those who land
<BR>on mortgaged property might make the bridge we need between George and
<BR>Douglas."</U></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV>Mr. Hattersley, I certainly have wanted to see a bridge between
Social Credit and Georgist thought, and I'm happy to see an advocate of
Social Credit suggest where that bridge may be situated. I
wonder if you could clarify and expand upon the underlined portion of
your comments above. Are you possibly suggesting some kind of
cooperative land banking such as has been proposed by Shann Turnbull at
COG?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>Alan Avans </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><BR></STRONG><BR></DIV></FONT>
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