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Please moderate the snide remarks.
You have no reason to believe that I hold the doctrine of the Trinity to
be "evil".
In fact I find it confusing. And I told you of my confusion in describing
my contact with Muslim friends, who I hope you know have a very different
view. It is difficult to remain unmoved when discussing this issue with
others. Despite my own socialisation.
As for pork, bring on the bacon butties say I :-)
I have however agreed with Muslim, and Jewish friends that the eating of
the pig at that stage of its genetic development, in that climate, and
without the benefit of refrigeration was suicidal, to say the least.
We still have not fully settled the problem of the hydatid cyst :-(
As for Usury. I, like the rest of humanity, both now, and in the past,
have the "benefit" of being witness to its evil influence. Its just a pity
that so many think they are beneficiaries :-(
Ken.
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Subject: [socialcredit] The Trinity
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You seem to believe that there is something "evil"
about the Doctrine of the Trinity, as there is about
"interest" and I suppose "eating pork."
It is true that the Trinity was not explicitly taught
by the early Christians, although what they did teach
was not incompatible with it.
The conversion of Constantine was sealed by his
victory at the Milvian Bridge, having earlier been
introduced to the Christian faith by his mother,
Helena. As sole emperor, he ordered the conversion of
the official Augustinian state cult to Christianity:
The Augustinian temples became Christian churches, the
cult's bishops and priests became Christian bishops
and priests, etc. What we see in the ceremony of
modern liturgical churches is the court ritual of
Roman emperors; the vestments, the dress of upper
class Romans. The modern church's hierarchy the
hierarchy of Imperial Rome.
Though three Senators had witnessed the ascension of
the Emperor Augustus to Heaven from his funeral pyre,
the orientation of the state cult had always been more
philosophic than religious.
The Trinity of the state cult was derived from Greek
philosophy. It expresses fundamental truth about the
nature of God: God the Father who created us; God the
Son, within us; God the Holy Ghost who can help us
combat evil. One God in three Persons.
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--- Kenneth Palmerton
<kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
Quite frankly, A major issue for me as a "member"of
the Church of England, and a committed Christian. Is
the debate I have had over some years with Muslim
friends about the beliefs of the early church, before
the Romans got their sticky fingers on a new source of
power.
Was original belief unitarian, or trinitarian?
Was the trinity what Christ taught, or was it a later
concretion?
Language is one of the clues that we are left with.
And if Aramaic WAS the first language that any of our
gospels was written in, then its close connection with
Arabic is of some significance.
For any monetary reformer who thinks that this
dialogue has nothing to do with them, then I would
advise that they actually look at what Christ had to
say, and what he, as the supreme peacemaker actually
did in the Temple.
Condemnation of the money changers is nothing new
:-)))
Ken.
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