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Hi Peter.
I share your view that understanding of our history, and the history of
ideas, is the key to our understanding the right ordering of our present
society.
And for me that is a history of power struggles between people that
believe that this life is all there is.
As an example, just imagine how subversive it is for a fellow to go around
preaching that there are just Two laws. And the second one s to love your
neighbour as yourself.
Just imagine how much belief in that alone would stop you from doing :-)
Or have you condemned by your fellows for trying.
Ken.
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Subject: [socialcredit] Re: Fundamental Truth
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I find the history in current topics not only interesting but significant,
as indicated by the view that traditions retain a connection with the
past. But the interpretation of the past is important, because as has
been claimed, to control the past is to control the future.
I believe that the origin of seed-money by despotic god-kings has the same
origin as the "official state cult" and worship of Emporer Pontifex
Maximus,which of course is ancient Babylon. The Traditions of The Elders
that corrupted the true meaning of scriptures which Jesus went around
teaching to set people free from an 'official state cult' also originated
in Babylon during the captivity.When Constantine made 'Christianity' the
state religion the existing one which roots originated in Babylon merely
changed their labels etc to suit the law.The New Covenant was instituted
by God not any state and labels may be meaningless.
When Jesus was tempted, one of the temptations was the offer of control of
the kingdoms of the world, if he would bow down and worship the one
tempting him who controlled them. The greatest kingdom then was Rome and
its ruler was Pontifex Maximus. Jesus rejected the offer ( effectievly to
become Emporer- Pontifex Maximus )in exchange for abombinable idolatory.
Nothing Constantine did reversed Christs decision or the issues
involved.This temptation to the Second Adam ( Jesus) was a parallel of
that of the first Adam who yealed his inheritance to the world as it
should have been to the one offering the opportunity to become like God in
all knowledge and its power, so he could have the mind of God if you
like.After the death and resurrection the title deeds returned to the
Second Adam, the Seed of the Woman bruised the head of the Serpant, and
the only true God-King that the other tradition feigns, will return and
replace the kigdoms of the world now about to form a one world govt.
Daniel said a stone ( kingdom) made without hands will destroy this
Babylonian extension down through history and so why would Jesus accept an
offer of control of what he was going to destroy in time?The Babylonian
traditions are also preserved through secret societies.Peter H
"William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Since the time of Constantine, it was the practice to
> the time of the Reformation, in Protestant churches,
> to Vatican II in Roman Catholic churches, for the
> priest to stand with the people facing the back of the
> church during the consecration of the Bread and Wine.
> The practice was the incorporation of the court ritual
> of the official Augustinian state cult into Christian
> worship. The priest and people were symbolically
> facing where the Emperor would have sat, often
> elevated behind a screen.* It was the practice of the
> official cult's temples throughout the empire, now
> converted to Christianity, which in the time of
> Constantine were the majority of Christian churches.
>
> I don't believe there was anything wrong with the
> priest facing the back of the church. Nor do I think
> there is anything inherently wrong with everyone
> sitting or standing around the table, as Jesus and his
> Disciples did at the Last Supper.
>
> They are traditions; to the extent we change them, we
> lose our historical roots, which is not necessarily
> bad, but also not necessarily good. It very much
> depends on the circumstances and the reasons for the
> change.
>
> One reason I am an Episcopalian is that I admire the
> fact that the denomination preserves many of the old
> traditions, in outward form, which keeps us in touch
> with our ancestors, at the same time defending the
> substance of what is important to the Christian faith.
>
> Now, the Doctrine of the Trinity, though introduced
> into Christianity by philosophers from the official
> state cult, is something quite different and far more
> important than priests wearing or not wearing
> vestments derived from the dress of upper class
> Romans--for it tells us fundamental truth about the
> nature of God.
>
> Stripped of its partisan Christian connotations, it
> should be useful to everyone regardless of religious
> affiliation.
> -
>
> *The priests were probably behind the screen with the
> Emperor, which is preserved in the liturgy of the
> Orthodox churches. The people would have seen
> fleeting images of movement behind the screen, heard
> the incantations, and smelled the smoke from the
> burning of incense.
>
>
>
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