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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Douglas and immanence
Date:Thursday, September 1, 2005  12:58:29 (-0600)
From:Jim <jschroeder @....ca>
In reply to:Message 2679 (written by Triumphofthepast)

Hi Michael:
 
You said:
 
"This seems to say something completely different from the above.  A transcendent God incarnate (Truth entering time) is not at all the same thing as an immanent God.  In addition, Truth entering time doesn't solve the problem, since we still have to have that in ourselves which recognizes the Truth."
 
I never said that there isn't something in ourselves that recognizes the Truth.  I deny that the "something" is reason.  Jesus said to the Pharisees, "why do you reason about such things in your heart".  The heart is capable of recognizing the Truth, but that does not mean the heart itself is the Truth.  Jesus was still necessary to "show the way".  Without Jesus, one would not know which direction to head.  That is why the statement "I am the truth, the way, and the life.  Nobody comes to the Father except through me."  The Pharisees, who were very smart/rational men, had hardened their heart, and that is why they could not accept Jesus.
 
I also recognize that an immanent God is different than a transcendent God.  I was using the term immanent with respect to time.  God is said to "transcend time".  An immanent God is a God that enters time, and this is the offence to the Jews.
 
Take care,
 
Jim
 
 



----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: [socialcredit] Douglas and immanence

"Man is always in the process of completing himself.  This is why our knowledge is always incomplete, and the reason for an immanent God." (Jim)

Douglas affirms an immanent God negatively as follows: "Jewish Policy is what Christianity is not. . . . The Philosophy from which it proceeds is that of non-immanent Sovereignty" ("Whose Service Is Perfect Freedom," p. 39).* 

To this compare: "The conception of the exteriorization of force (like the exteriorization of Divinity) is quite modern" (Big Idea, p. 63)

However:  "The human mind has no way of obtaining the truth. . . . The Truth enters time and shows us the way towards the Truth." (Jim)

This seems to say something completely different from the above.  A transcendent God incarnate (Truth entering time) is not at all the same thing as an immanent God.  In addition, Truth entering time doesn't solve the problem, since we still have to have that in ourselves which recognizes the Truth.

Michael

*I am confident this title is an example of Douglas sarcasm.

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