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Hi Michael.
Assuming that we had SC understanding in our money system, I can think of
many many possible situations where goods or service can be lost, and I am
sure you can too. SC would not, and could not affect that.
No amount of money can replace the lost goods. And as for MONEY being of
less value, that idea is what I hoped we had left behind in adopting SC
understanding.
Certainly with the loss of the goods the amount of money should be less,
until the goods were replaced that is.
Its value would be unchanged.
Ken.
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"We are supposing that the banking system is being compelled to act as a
public servant in its money-creating function. Such a function is a
custodianship of the nation's goods and services. Therefore, while the
'tickets' are indeed created out of nothing, the nation is still risking
something, namely, the goods and services that are allocated by means of
the tickets." (Me)
"I am afraid I do not grasp the point you make about the nation, and loss
of goods Michael. Would you care to explain please?" (Ken)
Certainly. We are supposing that social credit is in place ("the banking
system is being compelled"). Money is tickets to goods and services.
Therefore if a bank allocates money to a producer (on terms called a
"loan," but just think of the allocation itself), it is allocating goods
and services -- the capital goods and services that the producer buys and
also the consumer goods and
services with which the producer attracts workers. If the goods and
services are used up and the producer then fails to produce anything the
public wants, then the goods and services intended to be an investment are
a loss to the nation.
The actual owners of the goods and services were paid for them, to be
sure, but if the investment failed, then the nation is poorer by them and
the nation's money is worth less by that amount.
Michael
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Certainly. We are supposing that social credit is in place ("the
banki=ng system is being compelled"). Money is tickets to goods and
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" . . . abundance of production contrasted to the failure of distribution.
. . . cost-reductions . . . in marketing and distribution. Does this have
any implications for the way in which Douglas' solutions would be
applied?" (Keith)
No, it doesn't. Douglas means by "distribution" the money system, not
physical distribution. There's nothing standing in the way of our
physically distributing goods if the right incentives were in place. The
money system is the incentive system.
Michael
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