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Subject:[socialcredit] RE: OWNERSHIP: Ownership transfer
Date:Tuesday, November 30, 2004  23:42:46 (-0500)
From:Ed Dodson <ejdodson @.......net>

Ed Dodson responding...
Bill Ryan wrote (11/30/04):
 
Ed, will you provide citations to the Vickrey and
Stiglitz quotes?  The Gaffney quote, which you do
cite, does not exactly support the notion that
Georgism is anything but antiquated.
And, is it actually a historical fact that George's
books were banned by the Nazi party of Germany?  I
would like a citation for that, too. 
 
Citations:
William Vickrey, "The City as a Firm", in Martin S. Feldman and Robert P. Inman, The Economics of Public Services, London: Macmillan, 1977, p.334.
 
Joseph E. Stiglitz, "The Theory of Local Public Goods", in Feldstein and Inman, The Economics of Public Services, London: Macmillan, 1977, p. 282.
 
Regarding Henry George and the Nazis, see:
Michael Silagi and Susan Faulkner. "Henry George and Europe: in Germany..." American Journal of Economics and Sociology, July 1993. Here's an excerpt:
 
"AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME as the German Imperial Commissioner of the Kiaochow, China, Territory, Ludwig Wilhelm Schrameier, composed his memorandum about the land and tax problems in the Far Eastern colony, the Berlin primary schoolteacher Adolf Wilhelm Ferdinand Damaschke (1865-1935) founded, with a few members of the defunct Flurscheim group, a land reform organization, which, beginning in 1904, called itself the Union of German Land Reformers--a second organization with that name. The significance of Adolf Damaschke for the further development of the land reform idea in Germany is described by Theodor Heuss in the New German Biography as "fateful."(1)
As leader of, and spokesman for, the German land reformers until his death in 1935, Damaschke gained for himself, after Henry George, the greatest name in this movement."
 
I do not know whether Damaschke was executed by the Nazis or died of natural causes. In 1935, his book A Struggle for Socialism and the Nation was published. Assuming this book presented any kind of a challenge to Nazi power, he may have suffered the consequences.
 
For a perspective on the fall of the Weimar Republic by a member of the Georgist contingent in Germany who escaped, see the following pamphlet: Robert Heilig. Why The German Republic Fell. 1938. http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/heilig_why_the_german_republic_fell.html
 
 
 
Regarding interest:-
"Interest is viewed in Henry George's analysis as the
legitimate, market-derived return to capital goods
invested in production."
-
That would be using the term "interest," as the
classical economists did, in the sense that today
most of us today mean by "profit."  But what about
interest on bank loans?  The Georgists I am recently
encountering place that in the category of "rent,"
something ipso facto "evil" in their ideology. 
Specifically, is it "evil" for banks to collect
interest on home mortgages? 
 
Ed here:
I have had something of a running debate with Georgists who hold to this view. I see the situation as more complex than this. When we make deposits of our currency or electronic equivalent into our bank account, we expect the bank to pay us something for having use of our purchasing power. The bank has to pay for staff, facilities and equipment; so, why should we expect that the bank would not charge us interest when we borrow from the bank?
 
Add the dynamic of the secondary market. Here, an institutional investor such as Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac issues bonds to raise funds. The bond holders expect to receive interest for transferring their purchasing power to Fannie or Freddie. Fannie and Freddie match these liabilities with mortgage loan assets they purchase from banks and mortgage companies. The mortgage loans have to yield enough to pay off bond holders, cover overhead and return a profit to shareholders.
 
The injustice inherent in our system is the element I have previously written about: the power of government to self-create credit by the issuance of bonds in exchange for Federal Reserve Notes printed and put into circulation by government spending.  
 
 
In the United States it usually works like this:  The
construction of the home is financed by a short-term
loan to the builder, which is paid off when it is
sold to the final consumer, who finances his purchase
through a long-term mortgage. 
 
Ed here:
Exactly, and a model of market efficiencies at work. 

The process enables homes to be built and consumed
that would otherwise have never been built.  Or would
you argue that it doesn't?  You don't see that
happening in places with antiquated financial
systems, primitive ideas about "usury," etc.  Those
places are permanently condemned to poverty, are they
not?

Ed here:
I agree. FHA guarantees to savings banks brought long-term financing to homebuyers and triggered the explosion in home ownership in the U.S. The creation of the secondary market brought the same financing structure at the same interest rates to all parts of the nation. The introduction of the adjustable rate mortgage and then mortgage-backed securities has made the market even more liquid and efficient. And, yes, the absence of this type of financial infrastructure (combined with title insurance, licenses and inspections, appraisals required to obtain financing, and sophisticated approaches to evaluating the creditworthiness of potential homebuyers/borrowers) has condemned many people in the world to terrible housing.
 
As good as the U.S. system is, the situation could be that much better if the Henry George approach to taxing land and untaxing property improvements were in place.
 





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