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Hi Jim.
My apologies, I think I was too harsh in the "egg" bit, particularly as we
may have a problem of translation in this "common language that divides
us".
What you in the Colonies may call "Land tax" and "capital levy", may mean
something different here :-)
What people like Beveridge, and the Liberal tradition that he was a part
of spoke about was nothing to do with "appropriation", or even the value
of land directly, but about the improved value.
What that means for us is the ability of the community to benefit from the
improvement that THEY, the community, not the owner, made to land values.
Especially upon sale.
It has been calculated that this improved value is considerable.
As for Douglas and the McMillan enquiry. I have wondered if the man was
sober :-)
Have you actually READ the report?
And yes, I do take your point about the difference in the money value of
an actual asset, and the value of a money asset. In fact it is the root
reason for my activity here in seeking that the land campaigners and the
money campaigners are in fact arguing the two sides of the same coin. Each
with their concerns being incomplete without the other.
As for your last point, I do not really know what people want. But I feel
that if they had understanding, and were being sensible, they would plump
for the means to consume every time.
In this I accept Douglas s comment that "Ownership does not give control".
Maybe you can guess at the number of verbal punch ups that has caused me
in discussion with Socialists :-)))
Ken.
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Hi Ken:
I have no fear of "egg on my face", because I qualified my statement by
emphasizing that I did not receive the attachment that the gentleman sent.
My question to you is what do you hope to achieve by this "capital levy"?
In other words, what is its objective?
Also, this goes to the core of the problem identified in Douglas' A+B
theorem, and why he used an example of it in his testimony before the
MacMillan Commission.
Do you not agree that there is a difference between an asset (i.e. land)
valued at $1,000,000 and actually having $1,000,000?
Do you think people want ownership of the means of production, or the
fruitsof production?
Take care,
Jim
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> Hi Jim.
>
> Before you get the egg all over your face by wading into william
> Beveridge, and the long held British Liberal policy of the taxation of
> land site values, it would be well if you read up on the difference
> between this, and capital levies.
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> Ken.
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> Hi Dave:
>
> I'm not exactly sure what is the exact nature of a "land value tax", =
> because I did not get the attachment either, but I'm pretty sure Douglas
=> would have opposed it.
>
> >From "The Land for the Chosen People Racket":
>
> "Now there is no room for discussion as to what has caused the =
> disastrous state of British land and everyone connected with it. That =
> cause is grinding and punitive taxation.
>
> And this taxation has for the most part been concocted either directly =
> or indirectly by the London School of Economics-a good deal of it by Sir
=> William Beveridge who we are to entrust with the building of our New =
> World, "half way to Moscow," as he puts it so engagingly. An =
> understanding of the main principles of current taxation is =
> indispensable to anyone who claims to hold views on the future of the =
> soil. In the first place, it is necessary to recognise three =
> classifications of the surface-agricultural, industrial, and =
> residential.
>
> The question of minerals underground is closely interwoven with the =
> surface classification, but may be left for subsequent consideration. =
> It is a question which, if possible, is less understood by the average =
> land agitator than that of the surface.
>
> Now, land taxes begin with a series of recurrent capital levies at each =
> inheritance, thinly disguised under the names of Legacy Duty, Estate =
> Duty, and so forth. It must be borne in mind that (in spite of nearly =
> unworkable alternatives of recent date) these have to be paid in money, =
> and land does not grow money. Generally, this money is borrowed on =
> mortgage or otherwise. These "Duties" may range from 10 per cent. in =
> the case of very small properties, to sixty or seventy per cent. in the =
> case of very large ones.
>
> In effect, these taxes are confiscatory, consequently whatever is the =
> state of the land at the present time, that state is the result of a =
> change of effective "ownership."
>
> Subsequently to the Capital levies paid by the legatee, but not by =
> anyone purchasing the land, Income tax at the current rate (now 10/- in =
> the =A3) is paid on the ownership of the land, not on the return it =
> makes, but on an arbitrary assessment which goes up if the land is =
> improved. This assessment is generally made by the local rating =
> authority who levy their own distinct taxes, called Rates, on it ; and =
> these go up if the land is improved. But if the owner also occupies =
> "his own" property, he pays Schedule B as well as Schedule A and Rates, =
> also at the current rate. (The foregoing statements are subject to =
> certain modifications in respect of Scotland, and to the vagaries of =
> Derating Acts.) In effect, the owner-occupier of his "own" property =
> pays, at the present time, more in rates and taxes than he would have =
> paid in rates, taxes and rent, sixty years ago, as a tenant.
>
> It is a sound legal, as well as common-sense axiom, that a man must be =
> presumed to have intended the logical consequences of his actions. The =
> logical consequences of the taxation just roughly summarised can be seen
=> to be what they have in fact been. They have made the use of land for =
> agriculture only precariously possible by treating as soil income what =
> is in fact soil capital ; thus fostering overseas imports of easily =
> grown food.
>
> They have made the "ownership" of land, as an administrative profession,
=> impossible by imposing what is in fact an intolerable nationalised
rent. => And they have made the improvement of real property an expensive
form => of altruistic philanthropy (many landowners have accelerated their
ruin => by persistence in it) by penalising every improvement either to
site or => buildings by an increased assessment, so that whoever doesn't
get the => rent, the tax or rate-collector does."
>
> http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/douglas/land2.html
>
> Further Douglas says:
>
> "So far as the produce of the land is concerned, that is available to =
> anyone who has the money. Has anyone suggested that "the People" should
=> have the produce of the money-making machine ?
>
> Conversely, do the agitators for common ownership yearn to pay the taxes
=> now borne by land ? Ask most of the farmers who bought their farms =
> during and immediately after the 1914-1918 war period how they like =
> their bargain, from the business point of view. If the older conditions
=> of estate management were so unfair to the tenant, how was it that =
> farmers' sons had to wait years before they could get a vacant farm, and
=> had to be well known to be thoroughly competent farmers, or they would =
> never get one ; while nowadays there are hundreds of once-famous farms =
> going begging, and every day good farmers are throwing in their farms in
=> disgust at the ever rising tide of interference without responsibility =
> ?"
>
> http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/douglas/land2.html
>
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Jim
>
>
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>
>
> > Didn't get your attachment, but the idea to me has merit.
> >=20
> > Martin Hattersley
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> > e-mail: hattersleyjm@interbaun.com
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> > From: "Wetzel Dave" <Davewetzel@tfl.gov.uk>
> > To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:19 AM
> > Subject: [socialcredit] Land Value tax
> >=20
> >=20
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > > Have you considered Land Value Tax together with monetary reform, as
=> a
> > > contributor to a half decent society?
> > >
> > > Article from the FT attached, which may interest you.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > > Dave Wetzel; Vice-Chair; Transport for London.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Dave:</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not exactly sure what is the exact =
> nature of a=20
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> pretty=20
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From "The Land for the Chosen People=20
> Racket":</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG><U>"Now there is no room for =
> discussion as=20
> to what has caused the disastrous state of British land and everyone =
> connected=20
> with it. That cause is grinding and punitive=20
> taxation.</U></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And this taxation has for the most part
=> been=20
> concocted either directly or indirectly by the London School of =
> Economics=97a good=20
> deal of it by Sir William Beveridge who we are to entrust with the =
> building of=20
> our New World, =93half way to Moscow,=94 as he puts it so =
> engagingly. An=20
> understanding of the main principles of current taxation is =
> indispensable to=20
> anyone who claims to hold views on the future of the soil. In the =
> first=20
> place, it is necessary to recognise three classifications of the=20
> surface=97agricultural, industrial, and residential.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The question of minerals underground is
=> closely=20
> interwoven with the surface classification, but may be left for =
> subsequent=20
> consideration. It is a question which, if possible, is less =
> understood by=20
> the average land agitator than that of the surface.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now, land taxes begin with a series of =
> recurrent=20
> capital levies at each inheritance, thinly disguised under the names of =
> Legacy=20
> Duty, Estate Duty, and so forth. <STRONG><U> It must be borne in =
> mind that=20
> (in spite of nearly unworkable alternatives of recent date) these have =
> to be=20
> paid in money, and land does not grow money.</U></STRONG> =
> Generally, this=20
> money is borrowed on mortgage or otherwise. These =93Duties=94 may
=> range from=20
> 10 per cent. in the case of very small properties, to sixty or seventy =
> per cent.=20
> in the case of very large ones.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG><U>In effect, these taxes are =
> confiscatory,=20
> consequently whatever is the state of the land at the present time, that
=> state=20
> is the result of a change of effective =
> =93ownership.=94</U></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subsequently to the Capital levies paid
=> by the=20
> legatee, but not by anyone purchasing the land, Income tax at the =
> current rate=20
> (now 10/- in the =A3) is paid on the ownership of the land, not on the =
> return it=20
> makes, but on an arbitrary assessment which goes up if the land is=20
> improved. This assessment is generally made by the local rating =
> authority=20
> who levy their own distinct taxes, called Rates, on it ; and these
=> go up=20
> if the land is improved. But if the owner also occupies =93his =
> own=94=20
> property, he pays Schedule B as well as Schedule A and Rates, also at =
> the=20
> current rate. (The foregoing statements are subject to certain=20
> modifications in respect of Scotland, and to the vagaries of Derating=20
> Acts.) In effect, the owner-occupier of his =93own=94 property =
> pays, at the=20
> present time, more in rates and taxes than he would have paid in rates, =
> taxes=20
> and rent, sixty years ago, as a tenant.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is a sound legal, as well as =
> common-sense axiom,=20
> that a man must be presumed to have intended the logical consequences of
=> his=20
> actions. The logical consequences of the taxation just roughly =
> summarised=20
> can be seen to be what they have in fact been. <STRONG><U>They =
> have made=20
> the use of land for agriculture only precariously possible by treating =
> as soil=20
> income what is in fact soil capital ; thus fostering overseas =
> imports of=20
> easily grown food.</U></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG><U>They have made the =
> =93ownership=94 of land,=20
> as an administrative profession, impossible by imposing what is in fact =
> an=20
> intolerable nationalised rent. And they have made the improvement =
> of real=20
> property an expensive form of altruistic philanthropy (many landowners =
> have=20
> accelerated their ruin by persistence in it) by penalising every =
> improvement=20
> either to site or buildings by an increased assessment, so that whoever =
> doesn't=20
> get the rent, the tax or rate-collector does."</U></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
> size=3D2><STRONG><U></U></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/douglas/land2.html";><FONT =
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>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Further Douglas says:</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"<STRONG><U>So far as the produce of =
> the land is=20
> concerned, that is available to anyone who has the money. Has =
> anyone=20
> suggested that =93the People=94 should have the produce of the =
> money-making machine=20
> ?</U></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Conversely, do the agitators for common
=> ownership=20
> yearn to pay the taxes now borne by land ? Ask most of the farmers
=> who=20
> bought their farms during and immediately after the 1914-1918 war period
=> how=20
> they like their bargain, from the business point of view. If the =
> older=20
> conditions of estate management were so unfair to the tenant, how was it
=> that=20
> farmers' sons had to wait years before they could get a vacant farm, and
=> had to=20
> be well known to be thoroughly competent farmers, or they would never =
> get one=20
> ; while nowadays there are hundreds of once-famous farms going =
> begging,=20
> and every day good farmers are throwing in their farms in disgust at the
=> ever=20
> rising tide of interference without responsibility ?"</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Martin Hattersley" <</FONT><A
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Land
Value=20> tax</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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> <BR>> Martin Hattersley<BR>> 1970-10123-99 St.,<BR>> EDMONTON =
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> size=3D2>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Wetzel
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> monetary=20
> reform, as a<BR>> > contributor to a half decent
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