| Subject: | [socialcredit] Lies, Lies, and more Lies | | Date: | Sunday, September 11, 2005 09:57:45 (-0700) | | From: | William B. Ryan <w_b_ryan @.....com>
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I just realized that some of Bell's postings and
replies to him were sent directly rather than through
COGEXEC, so my last offlist post may have not made
sense to you outside of that context. You were
probably not aware of all the messages.
The chronology:
Bell cut OWNERSHIP off on July 13.
Later the same day I sent my "NOTICE" post to the
addresses for OWNERSHIP subscribers I had on file
appended below as Exhibit 1.
The CESJ board minutes for July 16 record a discussion
about redacting the OWNERSHIP archives. Dan Bell is
described as having "agreed to remove libelous
postings of the past, if we can identify them
specifically." Not a word in the minutes about Dan
Bell having already removed "libelous" postings in the
past, I suspect probably because he had not in fact
already removed any at that point. See Exhibit 2
below.
Subsequently I discovered that numerous messages from
myself and others had been redacted, and challenged
Dan Bell on the matter.
On July 24 Bell admitted that messages from myself and
others had in fact been redacted, but inferred that
most of them had been redacted sometime in "October
2002." See Exhibit 3.
It appears the radaction was "back dated" to fall
beyond the statute of limitations.
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Exhibit 1
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:24:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: "William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
Subject: N O T I C E
To: COG, Kent State University, The Ford Foundation,
Dan Bell, Norman Kurland, Rodney Shakespeare, et al.
N_O_T_I_C_E
Do not - repeat - do not tamper with the existing
archive, or deny public access thereof.
This is not a request.
It is a demand.
William Belford Ryan
Houston, Texas.
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Exhibit 2
"Norman Kurland mentioned the long history of attacks
in the Capital Ownership Group (COG) discussion group
against binary economics, the Just Third Way, CESJ and
its members. Some of the COG participants resort to
personal attacks when responding to CESJ spokespersons
and those supporting binary economics. While refusing
to state their own principles, they become offended by
anyone who does state specific principles as the basis
for his particular position. COG has become a forum
for sniping at people, not discussing, or challenging,
ideas.
"Consequently Norman Kurland said that we should get
out of the Ownership discussion group and start a
Binary Economics discussion group within COG. Dan Bell
has agreed to remove libelous postings of the past, if
we can identify them specifically. (While a number of
the 'critics' have used derogatory and insulting
language, only Ryan's comments have constituted
libel--e.g., publicly accusing Norman Kurland of theft
and Michael Greaney of fraudulent misrepresentation of
his professional credentials and thus would be the
only ones we would seek to have removed.)
"Let the critics continue in the Ownership forum,
but invite them to join the Binary Economics forum if
they agree to the rules of civilized debate and first
actually read the material they're attacking.
"The steps for getting the new forum set up: 1) Get an
agreement to join from our core group and principal
binary economists (this would be the first wave of
invitations), 2) Ask this group to agree to a set of
protocols for joining (which include a code of conduct
and some basic readings to orient the participants on
the paradigm to be discussed and challenged, 3) Send
out a public invitation to others in the COG list,
specifying the protocols for joining the discussion.
There will be three co-moderators: Norman Kurland, Dan
Parker and Kemp Harshman.
"Mike Greaney mentioned the latest challenge coming
from a longtime critic, Dr. Rupert Ederer. Without
notifying Mike, Ederer had published an article in
Culture Wars magazine attacking Mike, CESJ and Curing
World Poverty (CESJ's compendium edited by Fr. John
Miller) as subverting Catholic social teachings...."
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Exhibit 3
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:35:54 -0400
From: "Dan Bell" <dbell@kent.edu>
Subject: Deleted messages
Friends,
As Bill has pointed out, I failed to let each of you
know when I deleted your messages from the archive in
October 2002. In searching my files, I have found
copies of the deleted text and will return to each of
you a copy of your message or messages, which I
deleted back then.
Sorry for the long delay.
Cheers,
Dan
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Dan Bell
Senior Program Coordinator
Ohio Employee Ownership Center
Kent State University
Kent, OH 44242
(330) 672-0333 << Direct number!
(330) 672-3028 general office number
(330) 672-4063 fax
dbell@kent.edu
http://www.kent.edu/oeoc/
http://cog.kent.edu
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