| Subject: | [socialcredit] Replying to Peter | | Date: | Saturday, October 8, 2005 13:00:42 (-0700) | | From: | MODERATOR <socredus @.....com>
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"William has gone from saying there was no exponential
debt to saying just recently he wasnt sure if there
was any to no admitting that there was."
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This does not represent at all what I said. I have
always said that exponentially increasing debt is not
caused by interest.
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"If the Influx-Flux graph was to represent the A plus
Theorem then the two lines inside the graph could
never be parallel."
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The parallel lines indicate the hypothetical condition
of quasi-steady state; inasmuch as labor displacement
is deviation from quasi-steady state, the lines that
would represent respectively A and A+B in a similar
diagram would not be parallel but diverging. However,
we have yet to get to that stage in our extrapolation.
Be patient, my friend.
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"The vertical axis should represent Debt in the
economy and the horizontal axis should be the
financial value of the economy representing growth."
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No, the horizontal axis represents time. In the
flux-reflux diagram, debt is the integral represented
by the gray shaded area, whereas the instantaneous
differential between the flux and reflux at T1
represents the rate of accumulation to debt.
http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium/flux_reflux2.gif
The single common factor to all dynamic processes is
time, against which the various parameters may be
related statistically. All dynamic processes are
functions of time.
For example, the parameters in Hixson's diagram are
related against time along the horizontal axis.
That is the correct approach.
Notice in Hixson's diagram, the lines are not parallel
but diverging.
http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium/hixson.gif
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Subject: Re: Replying to Michael
Date: October 8, 2005 20:37:54 (+0200)
From: cymric <cymric@xtra.co.nz>
William said "If the underlying debt is increasing
exponentially in respect to time, as EXPLAINABLE
THROUGH THE A PLUS B THEOREM ....." Well thnk you
William we need not have argued over this up till now
as this is what I have been saying and you refused to
conceed that there was exponential debt to protect
interest rates. I never said interest was the cause
and likewise bankers spending their profits back into
the economy.
If the Influx-Flux graph was to represent the A plus
Theorem then the two lines inside the graph could
never be parallel. The higher one would reprsent the
rate at which costs are accruing and the lower flatter
one the rate at which disposable incomes of the
comsumer is created and released over the same time by
industry. The vertical axis should represent Debt in
the economy and the horizontal axis should be the
financial value of the economy representing growth.
Thus a line from (any current point in time) high
point of the upper line would by a line horizontal
show the level of debt at that point and the level of
growth in the economy at the same time by a virtical
line intersecting the horizontal axis from the same
point in time and thus show the rate of the growth of
debt being faster than the rate of the growth of the
economy.
William has gone from saying there was no exponential
debt to saying just recently he wasnt sure if there
was any to no admitting that there was.
The "labour displacement" is important but I dont see
how this exonerates the debt system. Douglas was
specific that the "mounting debt" came from ( root) of
the flaw as exposed by the A p B Theorem. The labour
displacement advantage as with the incrementof
association is being milked through the debt using the
"bottleneck" and the "scarcity" of the financial
supply. I would also point out that the "flexible
labour market' is also a tool involved whereby
corporations help pay their financial costs by
lowering their labour costs which in turn reduces the
A payment ability to clear the market of yesterdays
goods.
Peter H
"William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com> wrote:
[Michael Lane} Douglas doesn't say, "The gap is evil,
destroy it at the root, prevent it from occurring"; he
says, "Compensate for it as it arises."
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