| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] RE: NOT TRUE - the world is in the same boat. the cure is vigorously use democracy. | | Date: | Monday, October 10, 2005 10:37:48 (-0700) | | From: | Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
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| In reply to: | Message 2934 (written by Daniel Morin) |
(Dan Morin wrote:-) > By the way, having immigrants is IMPROVING our living
standards. I don't
> know where your assertions come from, but you are an ignorant about basic
> economics. It is true someone loosing his/her job at the expense of an
> immigrant is not pleasant, however the overall standard of the society
> improves by having goods and services produced cheaper for everyone.
(Joe replies:-) How does the person who's lost his job, (and thereby, his
'income'), afford these 'cheaper' goods and services, Dan? If he has no
'income', it won't really matter how 'cheap' they are, will it? He still
won't be able to buy them.
>
(Henry Raynel:-) > > The economic problem is more than greedy big business.
> We must use our energy to evolve a grass roots campaign to demand
> > every day common policies we want, example, better cheaper housing,
> > better individual financial security with a universal
> > supplementary liveable income that does not go into price
> > - to name just two! voters must demand what we want, housing,
> > food, clothing, and the financial security to make it possible.
>
(Dan continues:-) > The greedy is YOU, trying to blame it on big business.
(Joe replies:-) Henry said, in his first sentence above, "The economic
problem is more than greedy big business." But Dan says Henry is trying to
blame it on 'big business'?
(Dan continues:-) You are living in an
> affluent country and want to consume more. Your current level of
> consumption is way above the world average, and all you think is to
consume
> even more. You are asking people to join in your crusade against the poor
> to raise your on standard of living. Worse, you are willing to suppress
the
> poor little individual from third world country in the hope to achieve a
> higher standard of living.
(Joe replies:-) If Henry stopped 'consuming' is that going to help the
"poor little individual form the third world country" who's made his way to
the shores of New Zealand to get a leg up? How?
>
>
(Henry continues:-) > > Every persons natural desire is to achieve personal
financial security,
> > personal freedom with responsibility and have personal initiative
> unhampered.
>
(Dan reples:-)> Obviously this does not apply to immigrants. It appear you
have double
> standards.
(Joe replies:-) What did Henry just say, Dan? "Every person's..." It
obviously DOES apply to 'immigrants', the same as it does to the native
born. People come to this country, and New Zealand, Australia, and America
to better themselves. In the process they should be 'bettering' the country
as a whole, not lowering the standard of living of those already here. This
cannot happen with the financial system uncorrected. The way it is often
leads directly to 'explotation' of the new arrivals, and the impoverishment
and embitterment of those they displace. And lest anyone think that I'm
'anti-immigration', or an advocate of some of Paul Fromm's, how should I say
it, more controversial 'racial' ideas, let me say this. Social Crediters,
in dealing with the issue of 'Third World' immigration need to be very
mindful to focus on the correct issue. It would be very easy, and much more
harmful, to be targeted as 'bigots' in regards to 'immigration' as it is to
be branded 'cranks' in regards to 'interest'. We have, I believe,
meaningful and appropriate solutions to both so-called 'immigration' and
'interest' problems. Lets get on with correctly understanding and promoting
them, and not make the mistake of falling into the trap epitomized by "the
enemy of my enemy is my friend."
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