| Subject: | [socialcredit] RE: [NZ_Banking_Reform] Re: [socialcredit] RE: NOT TRUE(02) - the world is in the same boat. thecure is vigorously use democracy. | | Date: | Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:59:51 (+1300) | | From: | Henry Raynel <henry.raynel @..........nz>
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| In reply to: | Message 2940 (written by Janos) |
Hello everybody,
I wish to thank all who have responded to my posting. I am a long time
student of C H Douglas Social Credit and have no reservations of his
philosophy or his scientific analysis of the worlds economics and financial
defect.It is fact that prices are generated faster than incomes. Surely
there is abundant deductive, inductive and mathematical proof of this.
I agree with your point that the people of all nations are entitled to
receive their share of the wages of the machine. This is our Cultural
Inheritance
Every individual of society will continue to be deprived of their share
until the ownership of Society's money supply is changed.
I quote from Sustainable Prosperity - Challenge & Change - MONEY. Published
by the Social Credit Secretariat 1994. page 16 book 3
"The power to create money must be withdrawn from the commercial banking
system. The creation of the communities money supply, debt free, must revert
to a government authority - a National Credit Authority - charged with the
duty of maintaining a strict relationship between the volume of money supply
and the volume of real wealth production, allowing for imports and exports
and for capital depreciation and appreciation - thereby ensuring that there
is "effective demand" sufficient to clear the markets in each productive
period. All statistics necessary to do this are already available withiin
the central statistical office.
The authority would need to be so constituted as to be accountable to
parliament but to be insulated from any form of political manipulation. In
this respect it it would be similar to the weights and measures office which
is responsible for maintaining and enforcing observance of correct weights
and measures in all trading, while being free from political pressure to
tamper with those standards for political advantage.
Critics who may object that money created under government control would
inevitably prove inflationary MUST be able to say WHY that must be so, when
it would be created by precisely the same means and from the same sourse -
the national credit - as the banks, and yet there is no allegation that bank
created money is inevitably inflationary.
As Douglas insisted, 'Money is only a mechanism by which we deal with
things - it has no properties except those we choose to give it. A phrase
such as "there is no money in the country with to do such and so " means
absolutely nothing unless we are also saying "the goods and services
required to do this thing do not exist and cannot be produced, therefor it
is useless to create the money equivalent of them. For instance it is simply
childish to say that a country has no money for social betternment or for
any other purpose, when it has the skill, the men and material to create the
betterment"
Hence with Society owning and managing the money supply, a universal
supplementary income representing the wages of the machine could be paid
equitable to every person and please note it is an inheritance entitlement
regardless of other earned income. Being obviously being paid from a Society
owned money supply there would be no debt or interest cost.
Regards to all
Henry
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Subject: [NZ_Banking_Reform] Re: [socialcredit] RE: NOT TRUE(02) - the
world is in the same boat. thecure is vigorously use democracy.
Hello All,
Henry Rayner said "Swarms of people from the Third world are taking over our
jobs. This policy is dumming us all down to lower living standards."
Dam Morin replied "...Everyone has the right to work and earn his living."
Both parties here suffer from confused understanding of how economic
reality effects us individually.
"Everyone has the right to work and earn his living" is linking the right to
work with the right to living. The statement implies that we need paid work
in order to live, and if work is in short supply, our life is in danger.
Of course, work is never in short supply; it is jobs (i.e. work rewarded
with
money) that are getting scarce and lead people to say that "swarms of
[foreigners]... are taking over our jobs..."
To give everybody a job (as Dan implies) is no solution. Full employment, in
the conventional sense, is less and less possible in any society due to the
relentless "progress of the industrial arts".
So let us demand not a "right to work and earn a living" but the fair
distribution of the "wages of the machine". *That* is the essence of Social
Credit.
Regards,
Janos
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There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil for every one who is
striking at the root. (H D Thoreau)
www.goodworldmovement.net
----- part of Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Morin" <dan@danmorin.com>
To: <socialcredit@elistas.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:10 AM
Subject: RE: [socialcredit] RE: NOT TRUE - the world is in the same boat.
the cure is vigorously use of democracy.
Hello All,
I want to say I disagree. Remaining silent would imply I am in "your boat"
which is not the case.
Statement:
"Swarms of people from the Third world are taking over our jobs. This policy
is dumming us all down to lower living standards."
Response:
"Don't be selfish and be happy for those people. Everyone has the right to
work and earn his living. If a job is available, everyone can take it. It
is the job creator (employer) who decides who is best suited to do the work,
not the politician nor the voter. A job does not "belong" to a special
group. Everyone has an equal right to take job, including immigrants. This
is called personal FREEDOM. Myself, I have the right to take any job at any
pay and nobody has superior rights to decide if I am allowed to work. Who
are you to say to someone he/she cannot take a given job. What part of
FREEDOM don't you understand?
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