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Subject:[socialcredit] THE MONEY POWER
Date:Monday, November 7, 2005  21:30:03 (+1300)
From:donzbeth <donzbeth @.......nz>

Hello Joe,           Yes I was the author of a response to one of your list letters which had some uncomplimentary comments about your shallow line of reasoning, which among other things, apparently supported the privately owned international banking complex being allowed to create M1 (National Money Supplies) out of nothing as their own private property, because  in a 70  year old letter C.H. Douglas had written that politicians could not be trusted.  
 
My response was particularly directed to you, and addressed accordingly, but  your service provider returned it to me saying that it could not be delivered.  You are welcome to ask whoever sent you bits of it to please forward you the whole thing.  In case that doesn't happen,  I'll  recover some of the main points again.  In  material written for publication , which has a completely different status,  he emphasized several times that before a Social Credit economy could be introduced it would be necessary to get control of  "the money power", and if  that doesn't mean retaking control of the sovereign right to create credit, then  I don't know what else it could mean.
 
From a slightly different angle,  if  the state does not acquire credit emission rights,  what sort of a circus do you think would erupt if the Minister of Finance  approached the commercial banks (not state Reserve Bank) with a  request along these lines: "Okay you guys,  our "Z"  million citizens have accumulated   a  deficiency of purchasing power in period "X"   amounting  to "Y" million dollars and they need that creating and refunding to them , preferably via shops they deal with;  but we realise that may be impracticable.  Maybe you would rather 
credit it to their personal accounts.  How would you like to share round  that credit creating and distributing responsibility, or should our government call for  tenders to see which of your  commercial banks  could do it cheapest ?"
 
Apparently the type of democracy you tolerate is no more trustworthy now than in  the days of C.H. Douglas, and yet Switzerland has had a whole century  of  people power enjoying complete control over their politicians and parliament, and you have the audacity to question my  education.  The Social Credit movement in N.Z.  set in motion  the movement to achieve Proportional Representation (PR)  , and its success has already fractured the absolute dominance of Parliament by the two party club; and is philosophically supporting the  BCIR  initiative, on the Swiss pattern. It is progressing. 
 
Why are you not supporting these initiatives , instead of  undermining and causing confusion about what most monetary reformers accept as conditions precedent for the introduction of  people's democracy and a Social Credit economy?   In  your present situation , I am forced to conclude that you are doing much more harm to the cause of monetary reform in general, and Social Credit in particular,  than  any good.  You would be doing both movements a good turn if you  completely disconnected.  Why not  openly help the Money Power instead of  just doing it  by  recycling confusion to this list ?
 
             Cheers to the other participants.
                                                               Don B
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