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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Question for Jim Schroeder
Date:Monday, November 14, 2005  07:52:24 (-0700)
From:Jim <jschroeder @....ca>

Hi Bill:
 
I was referring to a breif outline of Social Credit named, "THE NATION'S CREDIT  A Precis of Major C. H. Douglas' Proposals BY C. G. M."  published by the British Social Credit Society.
 
I can email you a copy if you are interested?
 
Jim
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:53 AM
Subject: [socialcredit] Question for Jim Schroeder

> Jim Schroeder quoting "The Nation's Credit":-
>
> "No legal compulsion would be necessary. Retailers who
> would not accept the JUST PRICE scheme would be free
> to sell at the ordinary financial price, but in that
> case they would receive no money from the State and
> would have to try and sell their goods in competition
> with others, who had accepted the JUST PRICE and were
> in a position to undersell them."
> ----------------------------------
>
> Do you mean the book by C. Marshall Hattersley
> entitled *The Community's Credit*?
>
> There were several authors writing on "social credit"
> and the contradictory viewpoints remain conflated.
>
> In the Douglas version as found in the Draft Scheme
> for Scotland (excerpted below) retailers are to
> receive no money from the state themselves, but may
> dispense sales receipts that are accepted by the banks
> for deposit to the credit of the consumer at discount.
> The banks are reimbursed by Treasury drafts charged
> against the National Credit Account.  The rebates are
> *effectively* (not nominally) lowering the prices paid
> by consumers for purchases from registered firms.
>
> In the version you quote, the retailers are required
> to lower their prices nominally, being commensurately
> reimbursed by Treasury draft.
>
> The problem in that version is that it accomplishes
> nothing to address the problem identified by Douglas.
> The retailer's dilemma is that, in order to achieve
> sales in a "competitive" market, where purchasing
> power being placed into the hands of consumers is
> falling in respect to the costs of production, he is
> required to sell his goods and services below their
> financial costs.  He may not be aware of it, because
> his vendors are supplying him below their financial
> costs, the difference being represented by increasing
> debt all the way up the structure of production.**
>
> Unless financial costs are paid fully over the retail
> counter, it is not the consumer who is calling the
> shots, but the privileged "entrepreneur" with his
> compliant "banker."
>
> In that category I would place the "Wal-Marts" of the
> world; and everything bad that is "capitalism."
>
> And our continuing servitude.
> -
>
> ** Much debt masquerades as equity.  A bond sold to a
> bank counts as debt.  A stock counts as equity.
> ----------------------------
> --------------------------
>
> C. H. Douglas, 1928
>
> DRAFT SOCIAL CREDIT SCHEME FOR SCOTLAND...
>
> HOW THE FREE CREDITS WOULD BE ISSUED
>
> (6) In consideration of the foregoing, all registered
> businesses will be authorised to issue with sales to
> ultimate consumers an account on suitable paper for
> use as explained in the following clause.
>
> (7) Payment for goods will be made in the ordinary
> way, either by cheque or currency. The purchaser will
> lodge his receipted account for goods bought with his
> bank in the same way that he now pays in cheques, and
> the discount percentage of the amount of such account
> will be recredited to the consumer's banking account.
> Unregistered firms will not be supplied with the
> necessary bill forms for treatment in this manner,
> with the result that their prices will be 25 per cent,
> at least, higher than those of registered firms.  (It
> is obvious that the larger the discount rate can be
> made, the greater will be the handicap of the
> non-registered firms.)
>
> The total of the sums credited by the banks to private
> depositors in respect of these discounts will be
> reimbursed to them by a Scottish Treasury credit.  The
> capital account will be "depreciated" by such sums,
> and "appreciated" by all capital development.  The
> existing banks will be empowered to charge an
> equitable sum for the services thus rendered.
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