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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] compensated price
Date:Wednesday, November 9, 2005  19:54:26 (-0800)
From:Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
In reply to:Message 3027 (written by Triumphofthepast)

Could it possibly be that we've been looking at the issue of an "agreed-to limit on the retailer's net profit as a percentage of turnover" completely backwards?  That instead of it being, as we might suppose, a restriction on the 'upward' side of such a profit, Douglas might very well have intended that proposal to apply to the 'downward' side of net profit computed that way instead? 
 
Douglas seemed to make a regular habit out of looking at things from the opposite angle everyone else was viewing them from.  When others were despairing over a 20% unemployment rate and wracking their brains how to 'make work', he would be noting that there was 100% , or more, of needed production being met by the 80% of the workforce still employed.  And the problem wasn't primarily in 'making work' for those without it, but in getting them access to the sufficiency of goods the others were making.
 
And so it may be with this aspect of his Compensated or Just Price proposal.  Go back and look how this limit on profit is proposed in 'Warning Democracy'.  Douglas writes there:-
 
"Suppose that the large departmental stores, such as Messrs. Harrods, Barker's, etc. were to agree, as they probably would, to restrict their net profit on turnover (not, be it noted, on capital) to 10 per cent."
 
Note he says "the large departmental stores", not all merchants selling the same goods as those that might be sold in those stores.  In the 1920's wouldn't the named firms be that era's British equivalent to today's Wal-Marts, Sears, Hudson's Bay, Home Depots, etc.  Companies which can already undersell most of their smaller competitors, and for various reasons other than that they happen to be good at merchandising product.  Which they undoubtedly also are. 
 
  It is common knowledge in our area, which is a region where dairy farming has long been the most prominent and (still) profitable  form of agriculture, that the local, formerly farmer-owned, mid-sized  dairy plant here supplies milk products to the large 'chain' grocery supermarkets for a far cheaper price than it does to the smaller mom-and-pop local groceries. 
 
 Indeed, one chain of supermarkets here owned by BC's prominent billionaire, Jimmy Pattison, is in a position where it can dictate the price it will pay for milk to that dairy on a 'take it or leave it basis'.  The dairy 'takes it' ~ it can't move the same volume of product elsewhere.  
 
This is something no smaller store could ever get away with. And only one example of the ability of the larger entities to be able to profit from 'bulk buying'.  There are other 'paper efficiencies' which 'bigness' also enables.  Like being able to 'stretch' out payments to suppliers, and use their money to finance mega-store inventories.  Wal-Mart, so I've heard, is notorious for that.
 
Now just as there is a long known axiom on the production side of things that states "unit cost is a function of volume", so I would suppose there must be some similar axiom that applies in retailing.  A larger sales volume applied against a retailer's fixed costs and advantages of 'bulk buying' and other 'paper efficiencies' should mean that he could lower his per item profit but still make a greater overall profit through having a larger turnover.
 
Already the mega-store is underselling its smaller competitors, but what is going to happen when there is a further reduction in price through the CPD?  And its  sales volume increases again, and  it can take a still smaller percentage of profit from the larger  turnover, using, in effect, the CPD to subsidize predatory pricing and drive the smaller competitor under.  Unless there is an agreed upon limit, that gives the smaller store an equivalent advantage in the increase in 'effective demand' provided by the CPD.
 
If we look at some of what Douglas said before the MacMillan Commission in regards to the efficiency of 'producers', which could also apply to 'retailers',  and remember that Social Credit has always opposed 'monopoly', and would hardly be proposing something that would aid in furthering it by driving the 'little guy' to the wall, I think there may be some credence to the limit being on the 'downward' side rather than the 'upward' one. The price with CPD will still be cheaper everywhere, and the merchants and manufacturers falling rate of profit in ratio to retail sales will be arrested, but there wouldn't be an unfair advantage given to the 'big boys' in eliminating their remaining competitors.
 
Joe
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:20 AM
Subject: [socialcredit] compensated price

"We're not going to 'control' prices of goods item by item, John. . . . The merchant might be required, when participating in such a scheme, to agree to limit his profit on turnover to a pre-determined level that he considered reasonable." (Joe)

Wouldn't what profit is reasonable vary, not item by item but certainly industry by industry, according to risk?

If I were trying to sell this idea to voters, John, I would point out that by employing the bureaucracy to do the one needful thing, we will be able to eliminate the huge chunks that are spent on welfare, defense, and interest on the national debt. 

To those of you defending the compensated price without this profit-on-turnover limit, I would say, "You have admirably defended the workability of the proposal, but in such a way that you can no longer show why it is necessary."  That is, if the dividend would not be inflationary in the first place, the compensated price would have no function.

Michael

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