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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] BETHUNE (Joe replies to John Rawson)
Date:Monday, November 14, 2005  00:02:58 (+0000)
From:John G Rawson <johngrawson @.......com>

Thanks Joe.  Nothing in that I can quibble with. 

This is probably getting even wider of the parameters of this group, but it has always seemed to me that, if you go far enough to the "Left" or the "Right" you end up with basically the same sort of dictatorship.  In other words, it doesn't matter much whether government controls industry or industry controls government; there's little freedom for the individual in either.  Except that the first just could be preferable in these days of globalisation, because states fall but big international concerns will take a hell of a lot of chopping down.  Especially when the populations can be divided and controlled by "wars" of some sort.

Regards.     John R.


From: Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com
To: socialcredit@elistas.com
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] BETHUNE (Joe replies to John Rawson)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:03:20 -0800

(John Rawson wrote:-) This is getting a bit emotional!  An interesting "link" to discover that those feudal kings that did insist on minting their own coinage were really forerunners of the Communists!

(Joe replies:-)  You've no doubt heard the Douglas  description that 'Communism' is really no more  than ''monopoly State capitalism with control by Finance.'' 

(John continues:-) I would mention in passing that some of the Communists I have known are totally sincere, good people.  I hate their policies, because I believe they cloud appreciation of the real problems by relying on emotional attacks on just about all successful people.  But here the word is not "dirty" enough to gain points in an intelligent argument. 
 
(Joe replies:-) My mother's older brother was a lifelong 'Communist', and a finer, more decent human being would be hard to find.  I spent many hours of enjoyable debate with him in trying to turn him from 'the dark side'.  I never succeeded.  Though he did mellow with age, first into more often calling himself a 'Socialist', and later, not long before he died, he'd morphed into what he called  a 'Social Democrat'. 
 
Just what exactly the distinction was in his mind between these various labels I was never quite able to discern.  It all sounded like the same old Party line to me.  In one sense though,  he was just the same as every other 'Communist', 'Socialist', 'Social Democrat' I've ever personally  known ~ all fine people, too, by the way.  As long as it was somebody else's private property that was being 'socialised' the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' knew best.  But if it ever came to pass that any of THEIR property was under the slightest threat of 'proletarian' control, in any manner whatsoever, well, their politics veered further to the 'Right' than Maggie Thatcher's.
 
In spite of that, I wouldn't take the word as having a 'dirty' connotation.  What Bill refers to is most likely intended as a statement of fact rather than an insulting epithet.
 
 

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