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| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] "The Ownership Conference": Saturday 19th November 2005 | | Date: | Saturday, November 19, 2005 03:28:17 (-0700) | | From: | Jim <jschroeder @....ca>
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Hi Jock:
You said:
"So, do tell, how do you address Ambrose Bierce's issue with land:"
I can easily rebuke this logic. Food is finite. The theory that food is
subject to private control is the modern foundation of society. Carried to
its logical conclusion it means that some have the right to prevent others
from eating. If A, B and C have food, there will be none for D, E, F, and
G.
Do you think this logic is faulty?
Obviously Mr. Bierce had never seen high rise apartments. In pretty much
every place on earth there is a vacancy rate, and all that is seperating the
homeless from a vacant place to live is the money necessary to rent/buy the
place(unless they simply choose to be homeless, which means you can lead a
horse to water, but you can't force him to drink). Most of the land on
earth is uninhabited. The fact that land is finite is not the problem. All
matter is finite. And certainly private/exclusive ownership is not the
problem, because the opposite is the road to tyranny.
Take care,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jock Coats" <jock.coats@oxfordshirecommunitylandtrusts.org.uk>
To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] "The Ownership Conference": Saturday 19th
November 2005
> So, do tell, how do you address Ambrose Bierce's issue with land:
>
> "Land, n. A part of the earth's surface, considered as property. The
> theory that land is property subject to private ownership and control is
> the foundation of modern society, and is eminently worthy of the
> superstructure. Carried to its logical conclusion, it means that some
> have the right to prevent others from living; for the right to own
> implies the right exclusively to occupy; and in fact laws of trespass are
> enacted wherever property in land is recognized. It follows that if the
> whole area of terra firma is owned by A, B and C, there will be no place
> for D, E, F and G to be born, or, born as trespassers, to exist."
>
> Without some kind of coercive tactic? LVT is not merely about taxing to
> raise money, it is about ensuring efficient use of land (that's all land
> in the economic sense - everything in the material universe that just
> exists without the efforts of man, labour and capital), curbing the
> monopolistic tendency of land ownership, creating a mechanism that
> automatically shifts investment and economic growth from high tax areas
> to low tax areas.
>
> I don't see how one can be a "social anything" without addressing these
> massive social issues somehow of how we equitably divide up our planet
> amongst all the people that share in the birthright that gives.
>
> Jock
>
>
>
> On 18 Nov 2005, at 16:58, William B. Ryan wrote:
>
>> From the Draft Social Credit Scheme for Scotland:-
>> http://www.geocities.com/socredus/scotland.txt
>>
>> (10) Taxation of specific articles or
>> specific forms of property to be abolished.
>> Any taxation found to be necessary to take
>> the form either of a flat non-graduated
>> taxation of net income or a percentage ad
>> valorem tax upon sales, or both forms of
>> taxation together.
>> -
>>
>>
>> --- Jim <jschroeder@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jock:
>>
>> My intention was never to "cow you into submission".
>> My intention was to explain why you should never tax
>> an asset. I don't know why you'd need to "let any
>> steam off" in a Social Credit system, but perhaps if
>> you have the chance, you could explain it.
>>
>> I am also certain that there's no difference in
>> Douglas' analysis based on what type of tax is used.
>> Douglas' analysis was based on the fact that there's a
>> difference between land valued at a certain amount,
>> and actually having the money. I think Wally
>> extrapolated on this idea very well.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
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