On 19 Nov 2005, at 14:08, William B. Ryan wrote:
And your reflexive rather than thinking response is to
address Bierce's "issue with land" through taxation.
Brief comments inserted:-
"Land, n. A part of the earth's surface, considered as
property. The theory that land is property subject to
private ownership and control is the foundation of
modern society, and is eminently worthy of the
superstructure. Carried to its logical conclusion..."
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[Comment] Because there is a logical conclusion does
not mean it will necessarily obtain. It is pure
fallacy to think that it will.
One possible use of one's dividend is to loaf. If
everybody loafed society would no doubt collapse.
Therefore, we will not pay a dividend, but keep
everybody in servitude. Sieg Heil.
Fallacy, or "logical conclusion"?
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"...it means that some have the right to prevent
others from living; for the right to own implies the
right exclusively to occupy; and in fact laws of
trespass are enacted wherever property in land is
recognized."
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[Comment] Which proves nothing. There are laws of
trespass and there are laws of trespass. My landlord
is guilty of trespass if he enters my home in
violation of the terms of our lease. The law of
"right of way" allows me to cross the property of
another, with or without his permission, if that is
required to enter and exit my property. In Texas we
have something called the law of "adverse possession"
or "squatters rights," where I may acquire the
ownership of the landed property of another, if I use
it without his permission.
Historical anecdote from the Nineteenth Century: In
Texas and New Mexico there were organized wars between
farmers and ranchers. The farmers would erect barbed
wire fences; the ranchers would tear them down. It
was a shooting war where many farmers and ranchers
were gunned down.
The farmers took control of the legislature in Texas;
they passed a law that made it a felony with severe
penalties to be found with a pair of wire cutters on
one's person. The law remained on the books until
five or six years ago, though to my knowledge not
enforced since the Nineteenth Century.
In New Mexico the ranchers took control and passed a
law that said, "open range."
While in the Air Force stationed in New Mexico, I
would frequently go on explorations with friends. I
once found an eleven thousand year old Clovis point.
The sand dunes are adjacent to ancient riverbeds,
along which the natives would camp.
We frequently encountered gates secured by link
chains. The rule was you could cut a link with bolt
cutters, replacing it with a padlock, and pass
through. Similarly with barbed wire fences; you could
cut them, but were expected to mend them securely and
properly with pliers as you passed through.
That would be strictly illegal in Texas.
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--- Jock Coats
wrote:
So, do tell, how do you address Ambrose Bierce's issue
with land:
"Land, n. A part of the earth's surface, considered as
property. The theory that land is property subject to
private ownership and control is the foundation of
modern society, and is eminently worthy of the
superstructure. Carried to its logical conclusion, it
means that some have the right to prevent others from
living; for the right to own implies the right
exclusively to occupy; and in fact laws of trespass
are enacted wherever property in land is recognized.
It follows that if the whole area of terra firma is
owned by A, B and C, there will be no place for D, E,
F and G to be born, or, born as trespassers, to
exist."
Without some kind of coercive tactic? LVT is not
merely about taxing to raise money, it is about
ensuring efficient use of land (that's all land in the
economic sense - everything in the material universe
that just exists without the efforts of man, labour
and capital), curbing the monopolistic tendency of
land ownership, creating a mechanism that
automatically shifts investment and economic growth
from high tax areas to low tax areas.
I don't see how one can be a "social anything" without
addressing these massive social issues somehow of how
we equitably divide up our planet amongst all the
people that share in the birthright that gives.
Jock
On 18 Nov 2005, at 16:58, William B. Ryan wrote:
From the Draft Social Credit Scheme for Scotland:-
(10) Taxation of specific articles or specific forms
of property to be abolished. Any taxation found to be
necessary to take the form either of a flat
non-graduated taxation of net income or a percentage
ad valorem tax upon sales, or both forms of taxation
together.
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