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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Questions in regards to Dec. 'Triumph of the Past' Swanwick #2 -- Wally attempts to respond
Date:Friday, December 9, 2005  01:23:30 (-0700)
From:Wallace M. Klinck <wmklinck @....ca>

Money is issued as financial income as it is expended upon production--creating an accumulation of financial costs accordingly.  These costs must be liquidated by consumer expenditure--inasmuch as consumption is the last function in each cycle of the economic process.  The incomes distributed during the production process are insufficient to liquidate the full volume of prices generated in any given cycle and to give consumers at large access to the entire physical output or wealth represented by these financial prices.  Applied to the national economy as a whole, this is a macroeconomic statement.  Social Credit would issue and distribute supplementary consumer income to meet this deficiency of buying power.  No differentiation is made between earned money income and credits issued to supplement income--they merge into a general stream of financial income which is then available to meet the full financial costs of production of each production cycle.  The full stream of financial income is required to liquidate the totality of financial costs generated in each production cycle.  If some income from this combined income (earned from engagement in production in addition to that received from outside the price-system as a consumption credit) is not spent on the final product of a given cycle, the costs of that cycle remained unliquidated.  If any of this financial income is spent on any form of economic activity which produces goods for sale, then this income will generate new (i.e., additional) financial costs and prices, thereby producing a further discrepancy of general purchasing-power.  This will be factored into the next national accounting period in order to determine the deficiency created by this re-investment of savings (saved incomes) which has created new financial costs without creating new purchasing-power.  Whether production is initiated via the issue of new credits directly for production and repayble to the source of issue or initiated by the application of financial savings does not matter.  In either case, the result is a shortfall of effective (cost-liquidating) demand and compensation must be made via new consumption credits.  In either case new production is facilitated by the issue of new credits--whether through production or from the consumer.  If I recall correctly, Douglas commented that a central problem is that the producer presently receives his income from the banks instead of the consumer.  This is the way in which I understand the matter.
 
The problem is that producers withdraw income from consumers in retail prices expenditures incurred in respect of the cost of capital.  These included charges in respect to capital are allocated charges which are added to price and they do not simultaneously create new and equivalent purchasing-power. But to prematurely withdraw and cancel consumer purchasing-power in this matter implies that the physical capital itself at the present point of time has been cancelled or fully depreciated.  This is a gross misrepresentation of reality inasmuch as real or physical capital depletes slowly over future years.  True cost as measured by Social Credit is the mean rate of consumption divided by the mean rate of production.  The final or "Just" price of consumer goods must reflect this fact and requires that the consumer must not only be debited with capital depreciation but must be credited with capital appreciation (measured in money terms)--which latter is vastly greater than the former.  Money should be withdrawn via prices only at the rate determined by the ratio of national consumption to national production, which ratio is normally and increasingly less than a numerical value of one.  Under the present system money incomes are withdrawn and cancelled prematurely via the price-mechanism and Social Credit wants to "slow down" this rate of cancellation.  Realistically, costs and prices should be falling over time instead of rising as they do under the existing orthodox financial regime.  This is the way in which I understand the matter.
 
However, in a Social Credit dispensation new attitudes would arise which are different to those developed under the constraints and depredations of the present defective money system.  Savings would become valued only primarily as a temporary means to facilitate larger purchases rather than as a form of indefinite hoarding out of fear of future insecurity.  Social Credit aims at the "Life Abundant".  Money may be saved but spoilage and obsolescence will render it valueless.  Life, in the economic sense, can only be realized by the expenditure of financial income on currently available consumer goods and services.  Remember that Douglas said we want to build a new society on a foundation of absolute economic security for the individual.  Savings would not be directed to new superfluous, wasteful, destructive and leisure-robbing activity merely to generate additional financial income to compensate a previous deficiency in order that the consumer might access previously produced goods.  Society no longer would be required to produce guns in order to access butter.  Confidence would supercede fear and our attitudes and subsequent patterns of behaviour would become different from those which have developed previously because of society's past subjection to the restrictions and vissicitudes of the existing system, whereby money is only issued, ultimately, for production and not for consumption.   We want to make possible the immediate and dynamic ability of the consumer to access the full physical outflow of consumer wealth from the production system in each cycle--without being required to commit to any further future effort or financial borrowing against future income.  We desire to bring about a sharing society accomplished by means of a mechanism of distribution--not by means of a mechanism for effecting re-distribution.  Again, this is the way in which I understand the matter.
 
Comments are welcome.
 
Sincerely
Wally
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Questions in regards to Dec. 'Triumph of the Past' Swanwick #2

I can only say that I find the Swanwick principle #2 the hardest part of Douglas's proposals to swallow. Particularly, does this recommendation apply to all business capital, including fixed capital assets, or simply to working capital for day to day operation? And, if fixed capital is intended, does this imply that private capital investment is prohibited? Perhaps some of the experts here can give me some answers.
 
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: [socialcredit] Questions in regards to Dec. 'Triumph of the Past' Swanwick #2

The expanded version of Swanwick principle # 2, as printed in (I believe) the second edition of 'Warning Democracy', and as reproduced on the NZ Social Credit Ass'n's website states:-  "That the credits required to finance production shall be supplied not from savings but from new credits relative to production, and shall be recalled only in the ratio of general depreciation to general appreciation." 
 
 I believe it's been established previously that in the first and third editions of 'Warning Democracy' the last part has been omitted, and the quote ends 'relative to new production', as it appears in the original rendition.  I don't recall now if it was ever determined why there was a change, and then a change back.  Does anyone know? 
 
Michael opines that the "national dividend" be used only to purchase 'consumer goods', and not 'stocks and bonds'.  How is it to be determined just 'what' the 'national dividend' in the hands of each of us as recipients will be spent on? 
 
 There is nothing I've seen in Douglas that distinguishes 'money' received from the 'national dividend' from any other 'money'. 
 
 It isn't of the nature of a 'Prosperity Certificate', for instance.  Nor, under what might be called 'normal' circumstances, where control over 'credit' wasn't being contested between two 'governments', would it be in a tangible form restricted in what it could be used for.  Does it not seem feasible that Douglas, in the expanded version of Swanwick # 2 above is referring to a macro-economic concept "the ratio (over the whole economy) of general depreciation to general appreciation", with ALL 'money' being analogous and concerned only with 'flows', not with what each individual who gets a 'national dividend' spends it on? 
 
If I used my 'national dividend' to purchase 'stocks and bonds' held by someone else, is it not conceivable that the seller might be using the money received to then purchase 'consumer goods'?  What's changed?  If I used my 'national dividend' to purchase capital stock, say when a firm makes an intial public offering, how would this differ from my using my 'earnings' to do the same thing?  Does not Swanwick # 2 simply encompass the changes in 'flows' at the macro-economic level so that the 'natioanal dividend' and 'compensated price discount' can be adjusted in future accordingly? 
 
Joe

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