| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Re: [ijccr] How to get free money to start a CC community and start printing bills | | Date: | Thursday, December 8, 2005 11:37:06 (+1300) | | From: | W. McGunnigle <wmcgunn @.........nz>
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Reply to William B. Ryan
Your observations with respect to the consequences of
financial chicanery are valid, but only apply where there is complete
transparency covering the financial transactions involved. It is not the 98%
of nations that willingly cooperate in making sure that this takes place,
but the remaining 2% who deliberately remain outside the international
financial and legal systems. These include countries like Switzerland,
Bermuda, and the Cook Islands whose laws prevent individual investigation of
financial transactions without a formal act of Parliament.
This is why Interpol and similar organisations often have difficulty
pinning down financial tricksters. The Banking fraternity does have its own
international security organisation that keeps track of known scams, but the
information held is generally only available to specific individuals.
Individual National security organisations do not have access to that
information as of right. They can however, by careful enquiry, usually
obtain the information they need for any particular case.
Nevertheless certain governments have, in the past, found financial
money transactions very lucrative. They have been a party to "Money
Laundering" of illegally acquired funds by criminal organisations.
I believe you have highlighted a significant drawback to any
"National Dividend Scheme" namely the possibility that perfectly legal
credit could be issued under the scheme to validate finds that had been
"earned" by illegal methods. It would be a law enforcement problem rather
than a problem in the scheme itself, but it is something that would require
monitoring.
Bill Mc Gunnigle
----- Original Message -----
From: "William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
To: <ijccr@yahoogroups.com>; <socialcredit@elistas.com>;
<lwside1A@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:41 AM
Subject: [socialcredit] Re: [ijccr] How to get free money to start a CC
community and start printing bills
> So, ijccr becomes the conveying point for financial
> scams.
>
> I can assure you that federal jail cells await the
> purveyors of such scams that prey on the vulnerable
> and gullible. Bank fraud is after all a federal crime
> in the United States, and is an extraditable offense
> in most jurisdictions throughout the world, including
> Canada and Italy. It also falls under the RICO
> statutes for organized criminal conspiracy, also
> extraditable.
>
> This is what in the law is termed a materially false
> statement:
>
> "The awards for damages that The Group arranges for
> it's clients are appropriate, due to the fact that
> debt lenders have NOTHING at risk when they make a
> 'loan', due to their NON-DISCLOSED practice of
> creating 'credit money' out of NOTHING, 'lending' it
> out, and collecting principal and interest payments
> from customers on the resulting fraudulent contract."
>
> It's one thing to spew such rank nonsense on
> discussion lists like this, which, in the sprit of
> free speech, is a forum for the venting of cranks. It
> is quite another to use sophisticated multi-level
> marketing schemes to promote such crap to fleece the
> public.
>
> In the fractional reserve system, each and every
> lender is individually at risk for its reserve deposit
> balances in other financial institutions that are
> required to clear transactions between institutions.
> Bad loans represent debits to their individual
> clearing balances, which they recover only by costing
> them into the "price" paid by their customers for
> financial services who do not default.
>
> It is this clearing function that makes bank deposits
> fungible, acceptable by every seller of goods and
> services in the economy.
>
> And without it, the modern economy could not function.
> -
>
>
> --- vlario <vlario@yahoo.it> wrote:
>
> A TOTALLY NEW DEBT REMEDY
>
> Introduction
>
> We have a BREAKTHROUGH in our search for an effective
> mortgage and debt remedy option! We have been
> witnessing the success of a company, hereinafter
> called "The Group", which wins our First Place Award
> for flawless debt remedy. Recently, The Group has been
> obtaining rather spectacular gross awards for damages
> for their clients - - typically over $1,000,000+ USD
> in payments TO the clients - - from the financial
> institutions -- both compensatory and PUNITIVE damages
> (far in excess of the usual treble damages) for
> fraudulent conversion (theft) of customers' debt
> payments. In fact, so far as we can determine, it has
> had a 100% success rate . . . no failures. Please read
> this entire message right away, to understand the
> significance this represents to you.
>
> The awards for damages that The Group arranges for
> it's clients are appropriate, due to the fact that
> debt lenders have NOTHING at risk when they make a
> "loan", due to their NON-DISCLOSED practice of
> creating "credit money" out of NOTHING, "lending" it
> out, and collecting principal and interest payments
> from customers on the resulting fraudulent contract.
> The Group handles ALL types of bank loans, including
> Mortgages, Credit Cards, Vehicle Loans, Student Loans,
> and others. The basic criterion is whether the source
> of the loan traces back to the central bank system,
> i.e. the Federal Reserve in the USA. Ask if you are
> uncertain about YOUR loan.
>
> And, its services are EQUALLY INTERESTING for those
> who are well off and have no concern about debts - -
> because this process allows them to receive major
> amounts of cash on their real estate without selling
> it and without refinancing it.
>
> The Group's services are available to clients
> WORLDWIDE. Those whose debts are from institutions in
> the USA and Canada may be processed a little more
> quickly and easily, but clients from other countries
> are welcome to apply, and will be assisted as feasible
> on a case by case basis. The banking systems of most
> countries have similar legal roots and debt resolution
> remedies.
>
> It is currently taking an average of seven months from
> beginning to end, to obtain the awards for damages.
> Note that the gross awards for damages are often
> $1,000,000+!
>
> This remarkably well-conceived program gets
> compensatory and punitive damages for the bank's
> fraudulent conversion (theft) of the client's money,
> AND in the end the debt balance is literally paid off
> by the client in cash (nothing fancy - the money has
> been provided by the damages and the client just
> writes a check).
>
> In other words, this is a "win-win-win" situation
> -everybody is happy!
>
> This is very important, because it means no enemies
> are being created. This in turn means that it is far
> more likely to enjoy longevity than most of the other
> companies that have worked in this field.
>
> COMPARISONS
>
> There are HUNDREDS of debt elimination companies
> presently operating in the USA, and more around the
> world. It is a massive grassroots groundswell of
> accelerating momentum, spreading as a movement
> worldwide. However, many of the debt elimination
> companies have run into problems or have gone out of
> business. Here are a few examples:
>
> * Capital Creation Resources (CCR) - - raided by FBI,
> Jan 2005
> * Redwood Trust - - Cease and Desist by Postal
> Service, Jan 2005
> * Dorean Group - - raided by FBI, 2005 (mixed
> successes and failures)
> * Heritage Program - - stopped accepting new clients,
> late 2004
> * Mortgage Alternatives - - never had any success,
> only a lot of promises
> * Jerico - - never had any success, only a lot of
> promises
> * Mag Debt Free - - taking a break, analyzing and
> revising strategies, late 2004
> * Capita Strategies - - AG investigation in
> Minnesota; still no success cases
> * BBCOA - - shut down in 2003 by the Federal Trade
> Commission
> * Debt Free Secrets (DFS) - - pretty good record;
> perhaps a 90% success rate; car loan department
> temporarily suspended
> * Mortgage Freedom Club (MFC) - guaranteed and proven
> 100%, but takes 18 months; does mortgages only
> * . . . and others . . .
>
> By contrast, The Group has quietly been succeeding,
> with no failed cases, in obtaining remedy for their
> clients' debts, by doing something quite different - -
> they are able to sell judgments! This is very
> significant, plus the fact that it handles ALL types
> of debts stemming from the central banking system.
> Thus they win our First Place Award.
>
> With The Group, there is:
>
> * NO need to go to court;
> * NO legal battle;
> * NO placing one's home into a trust while its
> equity is hypothecated;
> * NO use of exotic financial instruments that may or
> may not work;
> * NO dependence on the success of a trading program
> to produce the payoff money
> * NO uncertain or excessively long waiting period;
> * NO limit to the amount of debts one can have paid
> off;
> * NO period of poor credit reports due to any
> actions of the program.
>
> BACKGROUND
>
> The paperwork to obtain compensatory and punitive
> damages as the mechanism for canceling debt from bank
> loans has evolved from debt remedy procedures that The
> Group's directors and others have developed over the
> past ten years. They achieved a breakthrough over a
> year ago when they undertook to get a man out of
> prison who had been sentenced to 5 years on trumped up
> IRS/income tax evasion charges. They developed
> paperwork that obtained for this gentleman over $3000
> per day in damages for wrongful imprisonment for the
> two and a half years he spent in prison.
>
> Now they use similar paperwork to obtain awards for
> damages for clients in connection with ANY unresolved
> bank debt, including situations where one has had a
> judgment against oneself on a debt, or where one's
> home or other property, bank account, etc. has been
> taken by creditors.
>
> The Group's process is applicable to any bank "loan"
> that has been made by cooking up "bank currency" out
> of thin air for the purpose of fraudulently inducing
> the customer to make interest and principal payments
> when >>> nothing <<< was ever actually loaned.
>
> FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT:
>
> John-Ruiz: Dempsey Phone : 604-597-1475/778-835-2826
> fax: 604-597-1475 email: fdx1239@yahoo.ca
> http://www.theclassactionsuit.com
>
>
>
>
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