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Although "Demand" is hardly the right word to use in the cause of seeking
capital investment for such a project as you speak of in this post John,
to go to those who have the power to create the money to set the project
in motion is EXACTLY how a sensible monetary system should work.
"Savings" is a busted flush.
In fact if you care to look at the Japanese MITI system, now I believe
down played, It is how actual practice has had it.
Under that system it was almost inconceivable that a sociably desirable,
and an industrially sound proposition could fail to achieve funding.
But then, our problem in this crazy world is that the only criteria
allowed for such decision making is one of immediate financial profit.
That principle, and that principle alone has been allowed to dominate our
actions. To the point where now few even know that it CAN be challenged.
Even if they thought it desirable :-(
Ken.
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<html><div style='background-color:'><P>Alright. Let's pursue this
further.</P>
<P>I have (yes, more than once) in my small flower production business,
developed a new calla (Zantedeschia vars.) which may sweep the market, or
may simply drop out of ken because of changing fashions. Or the
tubers may all turn out to be "rotters" and nearly all simply disappear in
their third season. I need about $10,000 (minimum) to propagate it in
large numbers sufficient to make some sort of impact. And I am not
allowed to risk my own capital.</P><P>Do I go to one of the banks and
demand, by right of being a citizen, a loan of this amount? If not,
how the blazes to I persuade my bank manager to fund this very risky
project? Must I mortgage my property, which surely would be
tantamount to using savings? </P><P>Moral: Douglas' analysis of the
economic system was absolutely brilliant. His antisemitism, though
very fashionable at the time was at the very least irresponsible. Where,
in the spectrum of his dicta do we draw the line; at this last
point, or a bit sooner in relation to some of his ideas in between?
I simply don't buy the superstitious approach of many Scoial Crediters who
believe that he must be treated as completely infallible; that his
pronouncements should not be subjected to reasonable analysis,
particularly in view of changed circumstances. (We no longer live in slump
time, for example.)</P>
<P>This ossified and unreasoning approach is one of our weaknesses, every
bit as dangerous as subtle movement away from his obviously valid
ideas.</P><P>Bill, if you do close down, please accept my thanks for
riding herd on these discussions to date. I'm sure I have
annoyed a few people in the process, but I have gained an immense amount
of valuable information from it, as well as sorting out my own ideas for
practical use.</P><P>Regards. <FONT color=#339933 size=4>John
R.</FONT></P><BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
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From: <I>Triumphofthepast@aol.com</I><BR>Reply-To:
<I>socialcredit@elistas.com</I><BR>To:
<I>socialcredit@elistas.com</I><BR>Subject: <I>[socialcredit] Swanwick
2</I><BR>Date: <I>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:08:57 EST</I><BR><BR><FONT
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">"That the credits
required to finance production shall be supplied, not from savings, but be
new credits relating to new production."</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="GoudyOlSt BT" color=#000000
size=2></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Goudy Old Style" color=#000000
size=3>Both John and Joe suggest this means "the aforementioned credits
required to LIQUIDATE production." I don't see how it could.
Worse, he would now be saying that savings SHALL NOT be used to buy
consumer goods and services!<BR><BR>Michael<BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="GoudyOlSt BT" color=#000000
size=2><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face="GoudyOlSt BT" color=#000000 size=2><BR><BR></FONT>
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