| Subject: | Fw: [socialcredit] IMPORTANT NOTICE | | Date: | Sunday, December 18, 2005 19:15:07 (-0700) | | From: | Martin Hattersley <hattersleyjm @.........com>
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From: "Martin Hattersley" <hattersleyjm@interbaun.com>
To: socialcredit@elistas.com
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] IMPORTANT NOTICE
> Hewlett Johnson, the "Red Dean", abandoned Social Credit to become an
> enthusiast for Communism and the Stalinist regime.
>
> A pity, because his explanation of Social Credit, before he went on to new
> interests, is one of the best and clearest I have seen.
>
> Martin Hattersley
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> From: "Kenneth Palmerton" <kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk>
> To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
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>> In-Reply-To: <001001c60193$738bcd40$bad44246@cc.shawcable.net>
>> Hi Joe.
>>
>> In this post of yours you make passing reference to "The Red Dean", do
>> you
>> mean Hewlet Johnson?
>>
>> If so I would be interested to know what it is you think he "gave up",
>> and
>> which way do you think he went :-)))
>>
>> Like many others who made a study of SoCred in the 1930s he had other
>> fish
>> to fry. And as the wolves prowled around the faithful they fell away for
>> reasons that were various, with some a matter of cowardice. But, who are
>> we to criticise ?
>>
>> Ken.
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:20:23 -0800
>> From: Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu@shaw.ca>
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>> Bill, I really think you should re-consider. As you've often noted,
>> 'A+B'
>> was the work of a genius. Unfortunately, it takes an equivalent 'genius'
>> tocorrectly interpret it in a manner that is completely consistant with
>> the
>> objectives that ALL 'Social Crediters' proclaim they aspire to ~ freedom
>> within security for every individual. I believe that you are singularly
>> gifted in your possession of those necessary attributes.
>>
>> Given time, and a thoroughness of study most of us will never be able to
>> undertake no matter what level of intellectual background we possess,
>> some
>> of us may reach the level of understanding you've already attained. And
>> certainly that's a goal worth striving for. But many more, in all too
>> many
>> cases genuinely very well intentioned individuals, will just 'give-up'.
>> They'll go the way of the "Red Dean". They'll direct their energies
>> elsewhere, towards truly 'lost causes'. Life will go on, but it will
>> fall
>> far short of that life that could be lived 'more abundantly'.
>>
>> Social Credit does come with some unfortunate 'baggage' attached to it.
>> Andtoo many still want the 'name' to hide their not-so-well-hidden
>> agendas
>> ofone type of 'class warfare' struggle or another under. Whether that
>> agendabe 'anti-semitism', 'white-supremacy', 'bank bashing',
>> 'anti-Americanism',screwball 'environmentalism', or whatever. The
>> surviving 'politicalParties' that proclaim themselves 'Social Credit', or
>> to be 'for' it, andthen proceed to promote anything but, aren't any
>> better. We can't changewhat's happened, only attempt to understand it
>> and
>> find ways to overcome it.It will be a frustrating process. Douglas, in
>> so
>> many ways so perceptive,has told us as much in the opening pages of
>> 'Economic Democracy'. But atthe same time held out the promise of
>> persistance in the closing.
>>
>> It's entirely understandable to believe when there is no visible
>> 'movement'
>> in a "Movement", that the entire effort to induce some is a 'complete
>> waste
>> of time'. But if you 'give-up'? Don't give-up, Bill. Use the 'gift'
>> you've been given. It's too important to put aside.
>>
>> Joe
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com>
>> To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:40 PM
>> Subject: [socialcredit] IMPORTANT NOTICE
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>>
>>> Bullcrap. The problem with Douglas is that he comes
>>> with too much baggage. The baggage are the Social
>>> Crediters (with some notable exceptions whom I shall
>>> not name). They and their pitiable "interpretations"
>>> discredit the whole project. In any case, the project
>>> can't get off the ground in the first place in any
>>> meaningful way because one octogenarian anti-Semitic
>>> nut case supposedly controls the Douglas copyrights,
>>> and nobody will challenge him. And I'm sick of it.
>>> So my participation is hereby finished once and for
>>> all. Complete waste of time. I'll let the list stay
>>> up for a few days for anyone who might want to scan
>>> the archives, then I'll pull the plug on that too. I
>>> guarantee it'll stay out of the socket this time.
>>> This is my last posting to list socialcredit and the
>>> last I will admit any association whatsoever with the
>>> so-called "movement."
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Triumphofthepast@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Supposing Douglas wanted to convey, as a principle of
>>> social credit economics, that production should be
>>> financed with new credits, rather than savings, what
>>> would you have him say other than what he did say? No
>>> one with any ear for language or any respect for
>>> Douglas would suggest that in three parallel
>>> Principles using "shall be," one of them was a mistake
>>> for "are." There is really no question what Douglas
>>> SAID. The only question is whether he MEANT what he
>>> said. Because he didn't work out by what MECHANISM
>>> Swanwick 2 should be applied, some people refuse to
>>> believe he meant what he said.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
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