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Subject:[socialcredit] Re:- Swanwick Princpiples
Date:Tuesday, December 14, 2004  20:52:29 (-0800)
From:Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>

Hello Tim,
 
I won't go into the effects of the 'Compensated Price' in regards to international trade further here, since I'm hoping Bill Ryan or others who have studied that particular issue a great deal more than I have will take it up. And we'll both learn something.
 
But I will comment on the following:-
 
You wrote:-"I do believe a large number of people will adapt
to "enough for nothing" and especially to "comfortable for nothing" and do
nothing, so rendering the economic model and the economy dysfunctional"
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I don't.  And I think there's already evidence that such concerns are largely unfounded. And especially so considering the way 'social credit' would almost certainly develop ~ gradually.
 
 To cite a couple of examples. The State of Alaska now  pays out a sizeable yearly 'dividend' directly to each of its citizens as their share of their State's investment of North Slope oil royalties.  A 'divdend' that seems to be continually growing.  I haven't heard that Alaskans are increasingly becoming  shiftless lay-abouts as a result.  Or that it's affected their overall economy in any other than positive ways. 
 
And, if I recall correctly,  many years ago the Canadian government conducted an experiment in a rural  area of  Manitoba where a group of people were given an 'unearned' income, to observe how they'd behave. To see if some form of 'Basic Income' scheme would negatively affect people's 'ambition'.  It didn't.  They behaved pretty much as they'd always done.  They still 'worked'.   Only they had some extra money to help them acquire things they might not have otherwise been able to afford. 
 
To be fair, though, I believe it would be safe to say that a sudden investiture of  all individuals with an 'unearned' income sufficient enough for their needs might well result in many leaving their jobs.  And, what I believe in any case, possibly a temporary disruption to the economy. (But I'm of the opinion  it would be quite 'temporary'.) That is why Social Credit has called for a gradual replacement of the wage with the 'dividend', which would be the only practical way to proceed in any event.
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(Tim:-)  "I am undecided about paying people to "stay out of the way" as you call it
but certainly not in favour of indulging them to increase their commitments
and responsibilities at others' expense. When this occurs, then the mindset
tips into their 'right to a living', which is both absurd yet very possible."
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We all have a 'right to a living', Tim.  But one based on our inherited share in the ownership of the 'cultural heritage' of our civilization.  This is largely what has made possible the generation of most of the benefits of what we call 'progress'.  And we should receive 'dividends' on it to fully share in that progress.
 
Best wishes,
 
Joe





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