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Subject:[socialcredit] labor displacement
Date:Saturday, December 18, 2004  08:40:41 (-0800)
From:william_b_ryan <william_b_ryan @.....com>

As to rights. Everyone has a right to MAKE a living, 
but not a right to GET a living IMHO. If they do have 
such a right, then I have an equal or even GREATER 
right to abdicate from paying taxes of any kind. If 
one person can unilaterally decide to contribute 
nothing then so can I, and I have a greater right to 
do that as I am only not paying as opposed to both 
not paying AND receiving.
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[REPLY] After all of our discussions, Tim, you still 
don't have the slightest idea what the social credit 
dividend is all about.  It - meaning the consumers' 
dividend + the retail discount - is not a tax 
transfer.  It doesn't take anything away from you or 
anyone else to give anything to anyone else.  Let me 
repeat - it is not a tax transfer.

Really, do try to think of it as a accounting 
adjustment rather than a "funny money" scheme.  Get 
"funny money" out of your mind.  Get "accounting 
adjustment" into your mind.  Try, Tim, try.  It is an 
accounting adjustment to make the system of free 
enterprise work better.

The conventional assumption is that, in the 
macroeconomic sense, salaries, wages and dividends 
(meaning corporate dividends being paid to final 
consumers) automatically equal the costs of 
production being impressed to the point of retail, 
and that the costs of production being impressed to 
the point of retail automatically equal sales to 
final consumers.  The theory is that the competitive 
market supplies the goods and services that people 
want to purchase with the money they are receiving.

First, I want you to delete from the assumption the 
word "automatic."

Second, I want you to delete from the assumption the 
implicit assumption, "random fluctuation about the 
mean."

In terms of A+B, with "labor displacement," - which, 
being a long-term trend, is definitely something 
other than a random fluctuation - the ratio of B is 
increasing to A, which means that the ratio of A is 
decreasing in respect to the accounted for costs of 
production, A+B.  The totality of A+B remains the 
same, while A is proportionately decreasing with 
labor displacement.

The theorem is in fact a theorem about inadequacies 
in the system of accounting as it has historically 
evolved.  It is not strictly speaking a theorem about 
economics.

If aggregate sales to final consumers are falling in 
respect to the costs of production being impressed to 
the point of retail, false information is being 
reported to the entrepreneur.  He is being told that 
his decisions are continually wrong in terms of 
consumer satisfaction, so he continually scraps 
existing projects and starts new ones, even if in 
fact the old ones were better than the new ones from 
any realistic perspective.  His debt to the financier 
piles up - from which he tries to slough off as much 
as he can to the final consumer to save his own skin.

The financier assumes a too powerful a role in such a 
system, being the aggrieved party, since his contract 
with the entrepreneur is never being fulfilled 
because it cannot be fulfilled.  The entrepreneur 
cannot serve the public, since he is receiving false 
information about what the public wants.  The 
consumer is short-changed, and much goes to waste 
that would otherwise compound into increasing wealth 
with the progression of time.  So, not only 
ourselves, but future generations are being cheated.

And the financier does indeed covet his role.
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