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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] disemployment -- Wallly comments
Date:Friday, December 23, 2005  00:14:46 (-0700)
From:Wallace M. Klinck <wmklinck @....ca>
In reply to:Message 3240 (written by Triumphofthepast)

I concur, Michael.
 
From a Social Credit (Douglas) perspective the Cultural Heritage (the cumulative unearned increments of association and of knowledge developed and discovered by society from the beginning of human history) does indeed provide the realistic basis, expressed in poetic or symbolic language, for "an Abundance wherein there is not room to contain."  Social Credit is a Christian policy.  Remember how the real productive capacity of the United States increased enormously so that after the War (II) the nation's ability to produce was much greater than before--even though the belief had been expressed by "serious experts" that the nation could not afford or sustain the demands of engaging in the War? 
 
But what is efficiency?  The most sophisticated means of devising and deploying the means of destruction could only be called "efficient" if war is fought because of demonstrably real external threat.   But what if the primal cause of war is entirely artificial in origin?  Social Credit asserts that the major cause of war in the modern world is a defective price system, operated in accordance with false principles of financial cost- accountancy--in which, over time, effective cost-liquidating consumer demand falls increasingly short as the use of capital increases relative to the use of labour.  The necessity arises to produce more and more less useful consumer articles and capital expansion by which to generate additional financial income--thereby to allow the consumer to access a pool of goods incorporating financial costs and bearing financial prices which exceed, exponentially, currently available purchasing power in the hands of consumers. 
 
The ultimate and inevitable form of waste is war, by which incomes are created, distributed and thus made available for purchase of past production--without the embarrassment of more financially unclaimable consumer goods appearing for use on the market.  In this context the more "efficiently" a war is conducted, the more "inefficient" is the process.  That is, IF you accept the Social Credit (and Christian )position regarding the purpose of life and of the economy to support it.  The degree to which production exceeds the natural ability of society to consume--or its DESIRE to consume--should translate into increasing leisure (the opportunity to engage in self-chosen activities) in the context of "absolute economic security" (Douglas).  The Social Credit mechanisms of the Compensated Price and Consumer Dividend are designed to make this happy state of affairs possible.
 
There are, unfortuately, people who believe that all income must be earned by labour or participation in the "work" force.  To them any form of income not tied in some way to contributed effort in production is a moral excresence--to them the admonition of Christ to "toil not" is an immoral directive.  They do not seem to realize that labour has never been the sole factor of production and is increasingly a diminishing factor.  Under the present defective rules of financial cost accountancy, these "work" worshippers manuever themselves into the inevitable position of supporting policies which involve the necessity of carrying the economy by means of exponentially increasing debt and physically wasteful and destructive engagement (War) in order that we may just "carry" on.  Well, from the Social Credit standpoint, it is a pretty sick way of "carrying on."
 
Does a worm, upon discovering a morsel, freeze with guilt--beleiving that it must somehow as an act of justification produce something else before partaking of the meal that looms before it?  Such a stupid and perverted notion would never occur to it.  But such thinking seems to be the guiding rule for humans who have so extracted and abstracted themselves from reality that they no longer have the guidance of natural instinct or principles.
 
Economics is a matter of producing for desired consumption and has nothing to do with creating work or "employment."  It is simply a functional activity of men and women in the world--something to be dispensed with and accomplished as quickly and efficiently as possible so that humans can be released for higher spiritual and cultural activities.  (Douglas)  Of course, such ideas as this are anathema to those who fear individual freedom more than anything else--and who believe that the prerequisite of social existance is direction of the individual under centralized control.
 
Wally Klinck
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:47 PM
Subject: [socialcredit] disemployment

". . . promising to look after them 'from the cradle to the grave'." (John)

I believe the Cultural Heritage can do exactly that.  Remember that Douglas quotes H. L. Gantt that the U.S. economy (as one instance) was only 5% efficient.  You agree that we could and should have a lot less employment?

Michael

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