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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Putting it all together
Date:Monday, January 2, 2006  09:15:08 (-0800)
From:Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>
In reply to:Message 3291 (written by Martin Hattersley)

 

(Martin wrote:-)  Yes, Joe, I sent that paper on Soddy out more for his discussion of the "J curve", which I think is another way of looking at A+B, rather than for adopting his ideas holus bolus.
 
There are more ways than one to skin a cat, and Douglas's price discount is  the neatest way of balancing production with demand, without demanding unnecessary work from anyone, that I know of  - a definitely better alternative.
 
(Joe replies:-) I agree.  I've copied a short extract from the "J curve" below, with  my comments in 'green' regarding one thing that concerns me.

" If production is to be increased, a period of time has to  go by in which more effort is put into the system by consumers, before the products `in the pipeline' emerge at the other end. If this increased effort is financed by new credit - say an expansion of the money supply by a bank loan, then the result is an initial period of inflation - a greater supply of money is chasing a supply of goods that has not increased. More than that, this increased money supply is chasing a supply of goods that is actually diminished by the amount of resources diverted to creating the Permanent Wealth needed to sustain the new rate of production. "

Maybe I'm not looking at this correctly, but IS there normally an actual diminishment of the supply of goods that consumers would buy by diverting  resources to create the 'Permanent Wealth'?  Certainly in times of war this would seem to be so.  But what about in times when there is already unused productive capacity to provide both raw materials and finished products for both 'capital' and 'consumer' production?  As there just about always seems to be. 

When the 'Titanic' was constructed, was the supply of consumer goods made from steel or any of the other products used in its making  actually diminished?  Steel that might have been used that way, yes.  But would it have been used that way, or at all?   Would there have necessarily been any more food grown on the farms of Northern Ireland if those constructing the 'Titanic' had not been employed at Harland & Wolfe? 

Joe

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