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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Inflation and Price Control
Date:Wednesday, February 22, 2006  12:09:22 (+1300)
From:W. McGunnigle <wmcgunn @.........nz>
In reply to:Message 3450 (written by John G Rawson)

Despite the somewhat histrionic reply from John, his analysis is correct. 'Stagflation" always seems to coincide with supremely high interest rates. It seems logical to me therefore that the bulk of the money supply at such times has been subverted into debt servicing and hence the necessary financial wherewithall to conduct normal business is being removed from circulation at an ever increasing rate. This explains the rapid slow down in commercial and manufacturing activity and the stagnation of the economy. Normality only returns when interest rates decrease thereby allowing sufficient finance to become available for "normal" commercial activity. We are assuming, of course, that debt servicing is NOT a normal activity. This assumption is valid because all normal people do not normally willingly accept large debts over long periods of time.
       Government spending however obeys different rules. Governments can and do accept large debt burdens for all sorts of different political reasons. This enables them to expend considerable amounts of the nations wealth on projects like armaments. The wages and salaries paid out to the workers in this industry plus the subcontracting to smaller firms boosts the money supply and creates a financial atmosphere of affluence and well-being among the general population. Diversion of effort into armaments removes consumer goods production from circulation and hence a dearth of consumer goods. This creates an artificial shortage in certain areas of the financial market, and consequently price increases as greedy entrepenuers take advantage of the situation. "War time expediency mentality".
       I have not done an exhaustive analysis of this situation yet, but I am sure that mechanism operating our present financial system operates along this type of line. Shortages of vital commodities like food, shelter, fuel and clothing can and are deliberately created simply by manipulating the money supply to prevent sections of the community having access to these important commodities. Most of the "poor " in the USA are actually fully and gainfully employed, but "the Market" has been twisted so that virtually all their income is diverted into providing the necessities of life. In NZ maintaining a household now necessitates two incomes. Both NZ and USA have resources enough to provide a basis living standard well above subsistence level, but many still live below that level. The only factor preventing proper distribution of those resources is an adequate debt-free money supply. Debt servicing has become a major stumbling block to human developement in the world. Banks and financiers are only interested in exploitation of individuals for their benefit. Until this is changed the present unstable world financial situation will continue. I hope that some madman doesn't plunge us all into a final internecine conflict before our international financial system is totally reformed.
 
    Bill McGunnigle
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [socialcredit] Inflation and Price Control

Wonderful, sdoppy, emotional claptrap!

As Douglas showed, if governments didn't go into debt to produce completely useless non-consumer items of this type, those who are hungry would go hungrier and the naked even more naked.

Were there a shortage of resources, the statement would be true, but while the controlling factor is not production but its fair distribution, i.e. the money system,  it is absolute rubbish.

Regards.   John R.


From: "Daniel Morin" <dan@danmorin.com>
Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com
To: <socialcredit@elistas.com>
Subject: RE: [socialcredit] Inflation and Price Control
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:10:56 -0500
>Hi Ken,
>
> > " Every warship, every tank, and every military aircraft built is in the
> > final sense a theft from those who are hungry and are not fed., and those
> > who are naked, and not clothed."
>
>Amen!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kenneth Palmerton [mailto:kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk]
> > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:50 PM
> > To: socialcredit@elistas.com
> > Cc: kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk
> > Subject: RE: [socialcredit] Inflation and Price Control
> >
> >
> > In-Reply-To: <NCBBKCEMIKELNEFLLFEHKEDDGLAB.dan@danmorin.com>
> > Hi Dan.
> >
> > "The Soviet economy was based on military expenditures" :-)))
> >
> > Beware of living in glass houses :-)
> >
> > " Every warship, every tank, and every military aircraft built is in the
> > final sense a theft from those who are hungry and are not fed., and those
> > who are naked, and not clothed."
> >
> > Dwight D. Eisenhower. One time President of this worlds most deeply
> > indebted nation. The United States of America.
> >
> >
>
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