| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Inflation and Price Control | | Date: | Thursday, February 23, 2006 23:49:11 (+0000) | | From: | John G Rawson <johngrawson @.......com>
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| In reply to: | Message 3494 (written by Kenneth Palmerton) |
Thanks. I do think we are on the same wavelength.
I hadn't realised the control factor, but had realised that American
production, geared for war, would have collapsed without some grand plan like
that.
And I was referring to NZ being able to export meat to the US because of their
overspending. And in passing, our farmers are not subsidised.
Regards. John R.
From: kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk (Kenneth Palmerton)
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>Hi John.
>
>If we are to achieve
anything like a full understanding of the sort of
>changes we propose to the
monetary order, we need, I think, to be careful
>about the examples we quote, and
the conclusions we draw from them.
>
>Take for instance your Two references to
the Marshal Plan, and the US
>export of meat.
>
>Read any standard text about the
Marshal plan, and we will be faced with
>statements about it being the salvation
western
Europe.
>
>It was nothing of the sort. It was the imposition of control by
the
>existing financial order, preventing the exhausted nations from
creating
>what was needed from their own facilities. It was the next stage
of
>imperialism. And it set back much needed advances in understanding of
the
>realities of aid and international trade.
>
>If this offends, May I suggest
you study the plans taken to Bretton Woods,
>and rejected.
>
>As for exports of
meat from the US. Other than for emergency aid at times
>of true famine, such
exports do great harm to the recipient. This drains
>purchasing power from local
producers, and retards the very desirable self
>sufficiency that should be the
aim.
>
>International trade should be confined to true surpluses. Or for
items
>that are not, or cannot be
produced or secured locally.
>
>Ken.
>
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><html><div style='background-color:'><P>Fair and correct,
Bill, except for
>one thing. Production of armaments need not"divert"
manufacturing
>effort when factories are already producing at less than
potential.
>You are thinking of the all-out effort of wartime, I an
talking about
>situations like the present one in the US, where the economy is
kept going
>by armament production, or the space effort, or etc. It was one
of
>the main functions of Marshall Aid after WW2, which also happened to help
>a
lot of other nations too. Just as America's deficit spending helps us to
>export
meat to them.</P><P>It can all be tied back to the fault in the
>financial
system.</P><P>Regards. <FONT color=#339933
>size=4>John
R.</FONT></P><BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
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>From: <I>"W. McGunnigle"
<wmcgunn@maxnet.co.nz></I><BR>Reply-To:
><I>socialcredit@elistas.com</I><BR>To:
><I><socialcredit@elistas.com></I><BR>Subject:
<I>Re: [socialcredit]
>Inflation and Price Control</I><BR>Date: <I>Wed, 22 Feb
2006 12:09:22
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><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Despite the
somewhat histrionic reply from
>John, his analysis is correct. 'Stagflation"
always seems to coincide with
>supremely high interest rates. It seems logical to
me therefore that the
>bulk of the money supply at such times has been subverted
into debt
>servicing and hence the necessary financial wherewithall to conduct
normal
>business is being removed from circulation at an ever increasing
rate.
>This explains the rapid slow down in commercial and manufacturing
activity
>and the stagnation of the economy. Normality only returns when interest
>rates
decrease thereby allowing sufficient finance to become available for
>"normal"
commercial activity. We are assuming, of course, that debt
>servicing is NOT a
normal activity. This assumption is valid because all
>normal people do not
normally willingly accept large debts over long
>periods of time.
</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT
face=Arial
>size=2> Government
>spending
however obeys different rules. Governments can and do accept
>large debt burdens
for all sorts of different political reasons.
This
>enables them to expend considerable amounts of the nations wealth
on
>projects like armaments. The wages and salaries paid out to the workers
in
>this industry plus the subcontracting to smaller firms boosts the
money
>supply and creates a financial atmosphere of affluence and
well-being
>among the general population. Diversion of effort into armaments
removes
>consumer goods production from circulation and hence a dearth of
consumer
>goods. This creates an artificial shortage in certain areas of
the
>financial market, and consequently price increases as greedy
entrepenuers
>take advantage of the situation. "War time
expediency
>mentality".</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT
face=Arial
>size=2> I have not done an
exhaustive
>analysis of
this situation yet, but I am sure that mechanism operating our
>present
financial system operates along this type of line. Shortages of
>vital
commodities like food, shelter, fuel and clothing can and are
>deliberately
created simply by manipulating the money supply to prevent
>sections of the
community having access to these important commodities.
>Most of the "poor " in
the USA are actually fully and gainfully employed,
>but "the Market" has been
twisted so that virtually all their income is
>diverted into providing the
necessities of life. In NZ maintaining a
>household now necessitates two incomes.
Both NZ and USA have resources
>enough to provide a basis living standard well
above subsistence level,
>but many still live below that level. The only factor
preventing proper
>distribution of those resources is an
adequate debt-free money supply.
>Debt servicing has become a major stumbling
block to human
>developement in the world. Banks and financiers are only
interested in
>exploitation of individuals for their benefit. Until this is
changed the
>present unstable world financial situation will continue. I hope
that some
>madman doesn't plunge us all into a final internecine conflict before
our
>international financial system is totally reformed.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2> Bill
>McGunnigle</FONT></DIV>
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><DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
>black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=johngrawson@hotmail.com
>href="mailto:johngrawson@hotmail.com">John G
Rawson</A> </DIV>
><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=socialcredit@elistas.com
>href="mailto:socialcredit@elistas.com">socialcredit@elistas.com</A>
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><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 21,
2006
>12:46 PM</DIV>
><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [socialcredit]
Inflation
>and Price Control</DIV>
><DIV><BR></DIV>
><DIV>
><P>Wonderful, sdoppy,
emotional
claptrap!</P>
><P>As Douglas showed, if governments didn't go into debt to
produce
>completely useless non-consumer items of this type, those who are
hungry
>would go hungrier and the naked even more naked.</P>
><P>Were there a shortage
of resources, the statement would be true, but
>while the controlling factor is
not production but its fair distribution,
>i.e. the money system, it is
absolute rubbish.</P>
><P>Regards. <FONT color=#339933 size=4>John
R.</FONT></P>
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>From:
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<dan@danmorin.com></I><BR>Reply-To:
><I>socialcredit@elistas.com</I><BR>To:
><I><socialcredit@elistas.com></I><BR>Subject:
<I>RE: [socialcredit]
>Inflation and Price Control</I><BR>Date: <I>Sun, 19 Feb
2006 19:10:56
>-0500</I><BR>>Hi Ken,<BR>><BR>> > " Every warship,
every tank,
>and every military aircraft built is in the<BR>> > final sense
a
>theft from those who are hungry and are not fed., and those<BR>> >
>who
are naked, and not clothed."<BR>><BR>>Amen!<BR>><BR>>
>
>-----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: Kenneth
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>[mailto:kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk]<BR>> > Sent:
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>February 19, 2006 12:50 PM<BR>> > To:
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>kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk<BR>> > Subject: RE:
[socialcredit]
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>In-Reply-To:
<NCBBKCEMIKELNEFLLFEHKEDDGLAB.dan@danmorin.com><BR>>
>> Hi
Dan.<BR>> ><BR>> > "The Soviet economy was based on
>military
expenditures" :-)))<BR>> ><BR>> > Beware of living in
>glass houses
:-)<BR>> ><BR>> > " Every warship, every tank,
>and every military
aircraft built is in the<BR>> > final sense a
>theft from those who are
hungry and are not fed., and those<BR>> >
>who are naked, and not
clothed."<BR>> ><BR>> > Dwight D.
>Eisenhower. One time President of this
worlds most deeply<BR>> >
>indebted nation. The United States of
America.<BR>>
><BR>>
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