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| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Productivity | | Date: | Tuesday, February 28, 2006 18:17:56 (-0700) | | From: | Martin Hattersley <hattersleyjm @.........com>
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Actually, there is one way that prices can come down below cost. Businesses in a
depression can sell below cost if they put off providing for depreciation of
plant. Small grocers may not be able to do this, but General Motors and Ford
certainly can - and are likely doing it at the present time. There may be a
connection here with the current transformation from investment in stocks and
bonds to the current fad for "Income Trusts", where cash flow rather than profit
goes to the investor. Short term gain for long term pain???
Martin Hattersley
1970-10123-99 St.,
EDMONTON AB CANADA
Phone (780)423-4081;Fax(780)425-5247
e-mail: hattersleyjm@interbaun.com
----- Original Message -----
From: John G Rawson
To: socialcredit@elistas.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: [socialcredit] Productivity
Thanks, Jeffery. I was trying to develop the theme that prices can not come
down much without some form of catastrophe. The small grocers were unable to
bring their costs down to compete, because of higher overheads etc. and therefore
went bankrupt. Some undoubtedly found new niches, possibly some even converted to
running brothels, but within that field they were wiped.
Once prices rise, it is very difficult for them to come down. It occurred
during the slump by involving massive numbers of bankruptcies.
I am, of course, talking about normal business. Primary producers, being
price takers, are in a somewhat different position, and some can stay in the
field by "tighterning their belts" for a period. This generally applies only to
those who are relatively debt-free.
Refgards. John R.
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From: Jeffery Smith <jjs@geonomics.org>
Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com
To: socialcredit@elistas.com
Subject: [socialcredit] Productivity
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:56:42 -0800
>On Feb 22, 2006, at 11:41 PM, John G Rawson wrote:
>
>>Try for example the thousands of small grocery businesses the
>>supermarkets have put out of business in this country.
>
>You don't mean that small stores going bankrupt caused productivity,
>you meant some had to find new niches as a result of others
>improving productivity, eh?
>
>SMITH, Jeffery J., President, Forum on Geonomics
>7536 SE Milwaukie Av, Portland Oregon 97202 USA
>503/232-1337; jjs@geonomics.org; www.geonomics.org
>Share Earth's worth to prosper and conserve.
>
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<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=2>Actually, there is one way that prices can come
down below cost. Businesses in a depression can sell below cost if they put off
providing for depreciation of plant. Small grocers may not be able to do this,
but General Motors and Ford certainly can - and are likely doing it at the
present time. There may be a connection here with the current
transformation from investment in stocks and bonds to the current fad for
"Income Trusts", where cash flow rather than profit goes to the investor. Short
term gain for long term pain???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Martin Hattersley<BR>1970-10123-99 St., <BR>EDMONTON AB CANADA<BR>Phone
(780)423-4081;Fax(780)425-5247<BR>e-mail: <A
href="mailto:hattersleyjm@interbaun.com">hattersleyjm@interbaun.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=johngrawson@hotmail.com href="mailto:johngrawson@hotmail.com">John G
Rawson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=socialcredit@elistas.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 27, 2006 10:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [socialcredit]
Productivity</DIV>
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<P>Thanks, Jeffery. I was trying to develop the theme that prices can
not come down much without some form of catastrophe. The small grocers
were unable to bring their costs down to compete, because of higher overheads
etc. and therefore went bankrupt. Some undoubtedly found new niches, possibly
some even converted to running brothels, but within that field they were
wiped.</P>
<P>Once prices rise, it is very difficult for them to come down. It
occurred during the slump by involving massive numbers of bankruptcies.</P>
<P>I am, of course, talking about normal business. Primary producers,
being price takers, are in a somewhat different position, and some can stay in
the field by "tighterning their belts" for a period. This generally
applies only to those who are relatively debt-free.</P>
<P>Refgards. <A href="file://\\John"><FONT color=#339933
size=4>John</A> R.</FONT></P>
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From: <I>Jeffery Smith <jjs@geonomics.org></I><BR>Reply-To:
<I>socialcredit@elistas.com</I><BR>To:
<I>socialcredit@elistas.com</I><BR>Subject: <I>[socialcredit]
Productivity</I><BR>Date: <I>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:56:42 -0800</I><BR>>On
Feb 22, 2006, at 11:41 PM, John G Rawson wrote:<BR>><BR>>>Try for
example the thousands of small grocery businesses the
<BR>>>supermarkets have put out of business in this
country.<BR>><BR>>You don't mean that small stores going bankrupt
caused productivity, <BR>>you meant some had to find new niches as a
result of others <BR>>improving productivity, eh?<BR>><BR>>SMITH,
Jeffery J., President, Forum on Geonomics<BR>>7536 SE Milwaukie Av,
Portland Oregon 97202 USA<BR>>503/232-1337; jjs@geonomics.org;
www.geonomics.org<;BR>>Share Earth's worth to prosper and
conserve.<BR>><BR>>---------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>Some
introductory materials to the discussion topic of this list are
<BR>>at<BR>>http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium<;BR>>You're
subscribed to this list with the email
<BR>>johngrawson@hotmail.com<BR>>For more information, visit
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