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Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Inflation and Price Control
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 13:34:00 (+0000)
From: Kenneth Palmerton <kenpalmerton @................uk>

In-Reply-To: <BAY21-F16E376BBC9E6678850AC5ABDF60@phx.gbl> Hi John. Mmm. "War without hate". That I think is a bit of whimsey, though I wonder if you have read C.S.Lewis`s "Screwtape Letters" ? There is a lovely bit of dialogue between a Major and a Minor Devil. The Minor one is boasting that he has got a war going. The major Devil tells him off, "Do you not realise that all the BEST side of mankind comes out in a war as well as the killing ?" One of the famous letters surviving from the English Civil War, my own period of historical study, speaks of " A war without an enemy " too. You write of Rommel visiting NZ. I actually come from the one part of the British Isles occupied by the Germans in WW2. Its why I was evacuated to the mainland.It is my view that the occupation was really a bit of propaganda, there was no real advantage in territorial terms, in modern times for the Germans to commit so much resource in holding them other that Hitlers approach to Churchill seeking co-operation to fight the Russians. His line was "Look, we have the Channel Islands. We are treating them well. come and join us properly ." When all the emotion is put aside, other than the unjust domination, that was actually the truth. The occupying force were mature men, under very strict discipline. Transgressions, when they occurred, were heavily punished. The atrocities were confined to one of the cleared smaller islands, out of sight until later, and to East European Slave labourers. The point being that in fact the German Commanders WERE welcomed back on the islands after the war. Much was made of their ALL being victims of extreme political dogma. I sometimes wonder if these occupiers knew, or understood the debt free status of the islands ? Ken. -------- Original Message -------- X-Envelope-From: socialcredit-return-3526-kenpalmerton=cix.co.uk@elistas.comReceived: from q23.elistas.net (q23.elistas.net [216.66.20.147]) by mta03.mx.cix.co.uk (8.13.4/CIX/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1S01Eqw012634 for <kenpalmerton@cix.co.uk>; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:01:14 GMTReceived: (qmail 11619 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 01:36:23 +0100Received: from mail.e-listas.com (66.7.164.206) by q2.elistas.net with EMQP; 28 Feb 2006 01:36:23 +0100Mailing-List: socialcredit@elistas.com X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: <mailto:socialcredit@elistas.com> Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com List-Help: <mailto:socialcredit-help@elistas.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:socialcredit-unsubscribe@elistas.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:socialcredit-subscribe@elistas.com> Delivered-To: list socialcredit@elistas.com Delivered-To: moderator for socialcredit@elistas.com Received: (qmail 4568 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 17:29:07 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.233.105) by mail.egrupos.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 17:29:07 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:24:47 -0800 Message-ID: <BAY21-F16E376BBC9E6678850AC5ABDF60@phx.gbl> Received: from 219.88.26.46 by by21fd.bay21.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:24:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [219.88.26.46] X-Originating-Email: [johngrawson@hotmail.com] X-Sender: johngrawson@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <memo.288005@cix.compulink.co.uk> From: "John G Rawson" <johngrawson@hotmail.com> To: socialcredit@elistas.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:24:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2006 23:24:47.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFC30DF0:01C63BF4]Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Inflation and Price ControlX-Envelope-To: kenpalmerton@cixcouk.cix.co.uk X-UIDL: _SGD.ML5AEB.mta03.mx <html><div style='background-color:'>Thanks Ken. I understand it was done per telephone to our Min. of Finance Walter Nash. Who I think had a bit to do with Bretton Woods, although our movement stopped NZ signing up with the IMF for many years after that. Nash later campaigned as "I belong to the World".I love that bit about Monty. And there we were all ready to give the Germans those nice presents free. An interesting campaign, that. "War without hate" where the two sides (not counting the Italians) respected each other strongly. Had Rommel lived and visited NZ later, undoubtedly he would have been given a hero's welcome. But the Aussies might have been a bit more cynical.Regards. John R.<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #a0c6e5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1>From: kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk (Kenneth Palmerton) Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com To: socialcredit@elistas.com CC: kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Inflation and Price Control Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:45 +0000 (GMT) >In-Reply-To: <BAY21-F105A62C3855F00D536EBA6BDF10@phx.gbl> >Hi John. > >Otto Niemeyer it was. Thank you for filling in the gaps in memory :-) > >To your knowledge were those threats ever committed to writing by anybody ? > >Certainly it is the sort of thing that people SAID, and with some >justification, but so often when speaking of such things, claims are >challenged, and it is helpful to be able to refer back to someone >acceptable, or known, as the source. > >As for your comments about all change "When the drums begin to roll". > >How true. > >One of the few Labour party MPs here in the UK pre WW2 to understand the >money question was a man called Norman Smith. Martin Hattersley will know >of him, he was a mate of Martins Father. > >Norman wrote a book called "The Politics of Plenty" which opened with a >scene of Field Marshal Montgomery receiving a letter on the evening before >the battle of El Alemien. At which many of your fellow Kiwis were >committed, telling him not to proceed with driving the enemy out of >Africa, the Government had run out of money :-))) > >Ken. > > >-------- Original Message -------- > >X-Envelope-From: >socialcredit-return-3520-ke npalmerton=cix.co.uk@elistas.comReceived: from >q23.elistas.net (q23.elistas.net [216.66.20.147]) by >mta02.mx.cix.co.uk (8.13.4/CIX/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1QNdpWH022365 > for <kenpalmerton@cix.co.uk>; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:39:52 GMT >Received: (qmail 1068 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 01:14:54 +0100 >Received: from mail.e-listas.com (66.7.164.206) > by q2.elistas.net with EMQP; 27 Feb 2006 01:14:54 +0100 >Mailing-List: socialcredit@elistas.com >X-No-Archive: yes >List-Post: <mailto:socialcredit@elistas.com> >Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com >List-Help: <mailto:socialcredit-help@elistas.com> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:socialcredit-unsubscribe@elistas.com> >List-Subscribe: <mailto:socialcredit-subscribe@elistas.com> >Delivered-To: list socialcredit@elistas.com >Delivered-To: moderator for socialcredit@elistas.com >Received: (qmail 29975 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 22:29:08 +0100 >Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.233.99) > by mail.egrupos.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 22:29:08 +0100 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; > Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:40:55 -0800 >Message-ID: <BAY21-F105A62C3855F00D536EBA6BDF10@phx.gbl> >Received: from 219.88.25.31 by by21fd.bay21.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; > Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:40:52 GMT >X-Originating-IP: [219.88.25.31] >X-Originating-Email: [johngrawson@hotmail.com] >X-Sender: johngrawson@hotmail.com >In-Reply-To: <memo.235670@cix.compulink.co.uk> >From: "John G Rawson" <johngrawson@hotmail.com> >To: socialcredit@elistas.com >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:40:52 +0000 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2006 21:40:55.0600 (UTC) >FILETIME=[52CE9B00:01C63B1D] >Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Inflation and Price Control >X-Envelope-To: kenpalmerton@cixcouk.cix.co.uk >X-UIDL: _5dF.JxjAEB.mta02.mx > ><html><div style='background-color:'>Thanks.  Otto >Niemeyer.  The threats were, apparently, a year or two before >the war, that if the policy was continued we would sell no more lamb in >Britain. Some believe also that the British fleet would appearr in >Wellington harbour, but I choose to discount that.  As it turned out, >wartime conditions let us sell every bit of production we could, later >mainly to the west coast of the US, who sent their food from their other >side.  I believe we finished the period with no overseas public debt >at all.  And, of course, in the mean time our Division in the Middle >East was equipped as well as any other in the war with its own artillery >and light cavalry. And of course our airmen in the Battle of Britain used >British arms. Probably got a good deal in the Pacific, too, >particularly when the Yanks discovered >they needed our trained navigators.  Amazing what is available >when politicians are able to say "Sorry, this is necessary".  Pity we >can't get a wider definition of what is necessary, to feed starving people >in peacetime. >Probably like yours, our governments love and laud "overseas >investment" in  the country.  What better?  It helps with >balance of payments in the short term and gives them grounds to >criticise their successors as they become more difficult in future. >Yes, but the Central Banks are there to be used if we get a govewrnment >with the guts to do it.  But didn't Douglas warn that nationalisation >of the banks could lead to "bankisation of the nation"?  >And I can not recall one new Prime Minister of this country that hasn't >done an overseas trip within months of taking office, including talks with >the IMF etc.  They have to get their orders. >Regards.   &am p;nbsp; John >R. ><BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; >BORDER-LEFT: #a0c6e5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT >style="FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif"> ><HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> >From: kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk (Kenneth >Palmerton) Reply-To: socialcredit@elistas.com To: >so cialcredit@elistas.com CC: >kenpalmerton@ cix.compulink.co.uk Subject: Re: [socialcredit] >Inflation and Price Control Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:24 +0000 >(GMT) >In-Reply-To: > >Thank you >John for that. > >So you say that now not only are you >exporting your wealth, you are >sending the money profits out of the >community as well :-((( > >You speak of the involvement of >Montagu Norman in the downfall of your >federal Bank. I did know >that he had sent his No. Two henchman, Nemeyer ? >to the antipodes >in panic immediately the SoCreds took power in Alberta in >1935. But >little leaked out as to what he had to say, and to >whom. > >By the way. It is a grave mistake to think of the >bank of england as >Government controlled. It is as it has always >been, a PRIVATE bank, like >the US federal reserve. The >"nationalisation" at the end of WW2 was a >SHAM. A reading of the >Act of Parliament concerned makes this VERY >clear. > >Ken. &gt ; > > >-------- >Orig inal Message >-------- > >X-Envelope-From: >socialcredit-return-3513-ke >n >palmerton=cix .co.uk@elistas.comReceived: from >q53.elistas.net >(q53.elistas.net [216.66.20.25]) by >mta02.mx.cix.co.uk >(8.13.4/CIX/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1PAx3pL029271 >for ><kenpalmerton@cix.co.uk&a mp;gt;; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:59:03 >GMTReceived: >(qmail 18775 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 >12:52:26 +0100Received: >from mail.e-listas.com (66.7.164.206) by >q5.elistas.net with EMQP; 25 Feb >2006 12:52:26 +0100Mailing-List: >socialcredit@elistas.com >X-No-Ar chive: yes >List-Post: ><mailto:socialcredit@elistas. com> >Reply-To: >socialcredit@elistas.com>List-Help: ><mailto:socialcredit-help@elistas.com > >List-Unsubscribe: ><mailto:socialcre dit-unsubscribe@elistas.com> >List-Subscribe: > ;<mailto:socialcredit-subscribe@elistas.com> &gt ;Delivered-To: >list socialcredit@elistas.com >Delivered-To: moderator for >socialcredit@elistas.com >Received: (qmail 24351 invoked from >network); 25 Feb 2006 03:41:20 +0100 >Received: from unknown (HELO >hotmail.com) (65.54.233.111) > by mail.egrupos.com with SMTP; 25 Feb >2006 03:41:20 +0100 >Received: from mail pickup service by >hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; > Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:53:00 >-0800 >Message-ID: ><BAY21-F22 0A5FEE6C035CEAF72107BDF00@phx.gbl> >Received: > ;from 210.55.84.56 by by21fd.bay21.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; > Sat, >25 Feb 2006 02:52:57 GMT >X-Originating-IP: >[210.55.84.56] & gt;X-Originating-Email: >[johngrawson@hotmail.com] >X -Sender: >johngrawson@hotmail.com >In-Reply-To: &g t;<memo.165886@cix.compulink.co.uk> >From: "John G Rawson" ><johngrawson@hotmail.com> >To: >socialcredit@elistas.com >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:52:57 >+0000 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/html; >format=flowed >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2006 02:53:00.0321 >(UTC) >FILETIME=[96C8C910:01C639B6]Sub ject: Re: [socialcredit] >Inflation and >Price ControlX-Envelope-To: >kenpalmerton@cixcouk.cix.co.uk &g t;X-UIDL: >_7JH.5hDAEB.mta02.mx > >&a mp;lt;html><div >style='background-color:'>& lt;P>Thanks, >Ken.&nbsp; I'll try to >work through the >points.We once had some subsidies for >agriculture, >but now our farmers are completely not subsidised in >any way.&nbsp; They >and our climate (not our soils) are >efficient enough to send food to the >other side of the world and >compete.&nbsp; I might add that there have >been big changes >over the years.&nbsp; When our WW2 servicemen were >being >settled, a one-man dairy uinit was 35 cows.&nbsp; Now >farms with hundreds >and even into the thousands are not uncommon. >And corporatisation is >coming in.Our cooperative >Dairy Board was financed by the Reserve >bank at 1%, as were some >infrastructure projects. We led the world out of >the slump, in our >small way.&nbsp;The Labour Party was scared out of this >sort of >thing by >Montagu Norman, head of the Bank of England, a few years >pre-war. >The first Labour Govt. had, I am told, 14 monetary reformers >(not >all SC) in its original caucus of about 50.&nbsp; When >they ratted on >these ideas there was a split and the socialist wing >took over. One of >their former Ministers ran for S.C. in an >Auckland suburb in our early >days.&nbsp; The Dairy Board has >now become Fonterra, big by world >standards, but still a >cooperative, despite the New Right Labour govt. of >the 80's doing >everything it could to destroy coops. Some of us feel it is >moving >towards saleability of shares and loss of its >status.&nbsp; >Originally farmers were allocated shares >according to their >production.&nbsp; Now young sharemilkers >hoping to graduate to independent >farming have to buy shares as >well as a farm.Like Australia, Canada >and >recently the UK, our R. Bank is state-owned, but of course it >works >for the financial institutions, not the Govt.&nbsp; The >present Leader of >the National Party, opposing the Labout Govt., is >an ex head of the R >B.&nbsp; Sincere, nice guy >too.The "export or die" syndrome is a >natural >extension of the shortage of purchasing power postulated >by >Douglas. Yes, NZ was hurt when Britain turned her back on the >Commonwealth >and went into the EU, and a somewhat bitter about it >after our war effort >on her behalf, possibly greater per capita >than any other nation.&nbsp; >But the greatest drain on our >resources now seems to be the remittance of >profits overseas by our >almost totally foreign-owned banking system.&nbsp; >Needless to >say, the >propaganda is all aimed at making the populace feel >guilty about >buying too much, which is a standard ploy by those who wish >to >control and >obscure.Regards.&nbsp ;&nbsp;&nbsp; ><FONT >color=#3 39933 size=4>John >R.< BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: >5px; >MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #a0c6e5 2px solid; >MARGIN-RIGHT: >0px">>tahoma,sans-serif"><HR >c olor=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1>From: >kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.u k >(Kenneth >Palmerton)<BR&a mp;gt;Reply-To: >socialcredit@elistas.com</I& amp;gt; To: >so >ci alc >redit@elistas.com CC:<BR&g t;>kenpalmerton@cix.c >o >mpulink.co.uk Subject: Re: >[socialcredit] >Inflation and Price >Control Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:50 >+0000 >(GMT)<BR&g t;&gt;In-Reply-To: >&lt; >BAY21-F14EF DA8409AA15B3ABBBC1BDF20@phx.gbl&gt; & & gt;gt;Hi >John. &gt;<BR& ;gt;&gt;I have always been >interested in the NZ goings on. >And have regretted >not &gt;knowing >more.& lt;BR>&gt; &gt;You tell me >that your >farmers are not subsidised. Now I know that the >very &gt;word >raises hackles, and much >misunderstanding amongst warring groups, >but &gt;will >you tell me what YOU mean by it >please. &gt; &g t;I >must tell you that I >do not like the "Export or die" dogma. I >think >that &gt;in general it denies ordinary people >the fruits of their >labours. The idea &gt;that >we are all persuaded to accept that this is >how we live is >nonsense. &gt;It is mathematically impossible for all >to >achieve "a positive balance of &gt;trade". And I >think that NZ in >particular has suffered from this >delusion. &gt;Particularly when the >EU persuaded your >biggest market for butter and meat &gt;to suddenly >buy >elsewhere. &g t; &gt;I think the hurt is still >felt in NZ, is it >not? &gt; &am p;amp;gt;One bit >of NZ history particularly interests me. And >maybe you >have &gt;something to add. As I understand it NZ once had >a >central bank that &gt;actually was under State >control. Like the Aussi >Commonwealth Bank. >And &gt;that this bank provided funds at half >percent >interest to fund the &gt;creation of the dairy industry. >What >happened to this fabulous >idea >? &gt;&l t;BR>&gt;Ken. &gt;& >lt;B R>&gt;-------- Original >Message >-------- &amp ;gt; &gt;X-Envelope-From >:<BR&gt ;&gt;socialcredit-return-3500-ke >npalmerton=cix.co .uk@ >elistas.comReceived: >from &gt;q 53.elistas.net >(q53.elistas.net >[216.66.20.25]) >by &gt;mta04.mx.cix.co.uk >(8. 13.4/CIX/8.13.4) with >SMTP id >k1O47kov021453 &gt;for > &lt;kenpalmerton@cix.co. >uk&gt;; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 >04:07:47 >GMTReceived: &am p;gt;(qmail 1789 invoked from >network); 24 Feb 2006 >06:00:36 +0100Received: &gt;from >mail.e-listas.com (66.7.164.206) by >q5.elistas.net with EMQP; 24 >Feb &gt;2006 06:00:36 >+0100Mailing-List: >socialcredit@elistas.co m &gt;X-No-Ar >chive: >yes<BR&a mp;gt;&gt;List-Post: >&lt;mailto:socialcred it@elistas. >co >m&gt; &gt;Rep ly-To: >socialcredit@elistas.com<B >R>& amp;amp;gt;List-Help: >&lt;mailto:socialcredit-help @elistas.com >& >amp;gt; &gt;List- Unsubscribe: >&lt;mailto:socialcred >it-unsub scribe@elistas.com&gt; &gt;List-Subscribe: &gt >;&lt;mailto:socialcredit-subscribe@elistas .com&gt; &gt >; >Delivered-To: >list >socialcredit@elistas.com &am p;amp;gt;Delivered-To: moderator >for >socialcredit@elistas.com<BR&am p;gt;&gt;Received: (qmail >13211 invoked from >network); 24 Feb 2006 00:37:40 >+0100 &gt;Received: from unknown (HELO >hotmail.com) >(65.54.233.103)<BR&gt ;&gt; by mail.egrupos.com with SMTP; 24 >Feb >2006 00:37:40 +0100 &gt;Received: from mail pickup >service by >hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; &gt; >Thu, 23 Feb 2006 >15:49:15 >-0800 &gt;Me ssage-ID: >&lt;BAY21 >-F14EFDA8409AA15B3ABBBC 1BDF20@phx.gbl&gt; &gt;Rec >eived: from >210.54.108.171 by by21fd.bay21.hotmail.msn.com with >HTTP; &gt; Thu, 23 >Feb 2006 23:49:11 >GMT &gt;X-Originating-IP: ;>[210.54.108.171] &a >mp;gt;X-Originatin g-Email: >[johngrawson@hotmail.com] &a m >p;gt;X-Sender: >johngrawson@hotmail.com<BR& amp;gt;&gt;In-Reply- >To: >&lt;memo.1 24898@cix.compulink.co.uk&gt; &a >mp;gt; From: "John G >Rawson" >&lt;johngrawson@hotmail.com&a mp;gt; & >gt;To: >socialcred it@elistas.com &gt;Date: Thu, 23 Feb >2006 >23:49:11 >+0000 &am p;amp;gt;Mime-Version: >1.0 &gt;Content-Type : >text/html; >format=flowed &am p;gt;X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 >Feb 2006 >23:49:15.0928 >(UTC) & gt;FILETIME=[C1522980:01C638D >3]Subject: Re: [socialcredit] >Inflation and &gt;Price >ControlX-Envelope-To:<BR&g t;>kenpalmerton@cixcouk.cix.co.uk &am >p; gt;X-UIDL: >_lPF.Uao_DB.mta04.mx & gt; &am >p;gt;&lt;html&gt;&a mp;lt;div >style='background-color:'& >gt;&am p;amp;lt;P&gt;Thanks.&amp;nbsp; I do think we >are >on &gt;the same >wavelength.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I hadn't realised >the >control factor, but had &gt;realised that American >production, geared >for war, would have >collapsed &gt;without some grand plan >like >that.&lt;/P&gt;&l t;P&gt;And I was referring to >NZ being &gt;able to >export meat to the US because of >their overspending.&amp;nbsp; And >in &gt;passing, >our farmers are >not >subsidised.&lt;/P&gt;&a mp;lt;P&gt;Regards.&a >mp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;& ;amp;amp;nbsp; &gt >;& >lt;FONT color=#339933 >size=4&gt;John >R.&lt; /FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&am >p;lt;BLOCKQUOTE&a mp;lt;BR>&gt;style="PADDING-LEFT: >5px; & gt;MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #a0c6e5 >2px &gt;solid; >MARGIN-RIGHT: >0px"&gt;&lt;FONT style="FONT-SIZE: >11px; >FONT-FAMILY:<BR& gt;&gt;tahoma,sans-serif"&gt;&a >mp;lt;HR color=#a0c6e5 >SIZE=1&gt; &amp ;gt;From: >&lt;I&gt;kenpalmerton@cix.compulink.co.uk& lt;BR>>(Kenneth<BR& >gt;&gt;Palmerton)&a mp;amp;lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Reply-To: &g t >;&lt;I&gt;socialcredit@elistas.com&lt;/I&a mp;amp;gt;&lt;BR& >gt;To: &g t;&lt;I&gt;so >cialcredit@elistas.com& >amp;lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR&gt;CC: &gt;&lt;I&gt; >kenpalmerton@ &gt ;cix.compulink.co.uk&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR&am > p;gt;Subject: >&lt;I&gt;Re: >[socialc redit] &gt;Inflation and >Price >Control&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR& ;amp;gt;Date: >&lt;I&gt; >Thu, 23 Feb 2006 >15:38 >+0000 &gt;(GMT) &lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR&a >mp;gt;&amp;gt ;In-Reply-To: &gt;&amp;lt;B & gt;AY >21-F194E0911053FE0D8A1FC5FBDFD0@phx.gbl&amp;gt;&am p;lt;BR& >gt;&amp;gt;Hi &g&l t;BR>>t;John.&lt;BR&gt;&amp >;amp;gt;&a mp;amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;If we are to achieve >anything >like a full &gt;understanding of the sort >of&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;changes &a mp;gt;we propose to the >monetary &gt;order, we need, I think, to >be >careful&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;gt;about the examples we >quote, &gt;and the >conclusions we draw from >them.&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;BR&a mp;amp;gt;&amp;gt;Take >for >instance &gt;your Two references to the Marshal >Plan, and >the >US&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt ;export >of & >amp;gt;meat.& amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;&amp ; >gt;Read any standard text >about the Marshal plan, and >we &gt;will be >faced >with&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;gt;statements about it being >the >salvation >western<BR&gt ;&gt;Europe.&lt;BR&gt;&amp >;amp;gt;& amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;It was nothing >of the sort. >It was the imposition &gt;of control >by >the&lt;BR&gt;&am p;gt;existing financial order, >preventing >the &gt; exhausted nations from >creating&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;what was >needed from their >own &gt;facilities. It was the next >stage >of&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;gt;imperialism. And it set >back &gt;much needed >advances in understanding of >the&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;realities of >aid >and &gt;internation al >trade.&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;BR&am p;amp;gt;&amp;gt;If >this >offends, May I suggest you &gt;study the plans >taken to >Bretton >Woods,&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;amp;gt;and & >gt;rejected.&lt;BR&am p;amp;gt;&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;&am<BR > ; >>p;gt;As for exports of meat from the US. Other >than &gt;for emergency >aid at >times&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;of true famine, such exports >do >great &gt;harm to the recipient. >This >drains&lt;BR&gt;&am p;amp;amp;gt;purchasing power from >local &gt;producers, and >retards the very desirable >self&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;sufficiency& lt;BR>>that &gt; >should be >the >aim.&lt;BR&gt;&amp;g t;&lt;BR&gt;&a >mp;gt;International trade should be >confined &gt;to >true surpluses. Or for items&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;that >are &am p;gt;not, or cannot be produced &gt;or >secured >lo cally.&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt; >&amp;gt;Ken.&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;&a mp;lt;BR&gt & >gt;;&amp;gt;-------->Original &gt;Message<BR&gt ; >&gt;--------&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;& ;amp;lt;BR&gt;&am >p;gt; >X-Envelope- From:&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;socialcredit-r >eturn- 3460-ke &gt;npalme >rton=cix.co.uk @elistas.comRe >ceived: >from&lt;BR&g t;&amp;gt;q53.elistas.net<BR&gt >;&gt;(q53 .elistas.net >[216.66.20.25]) >by&l t;BR&gt >;&amp;gt;mta02.mx.cix.co.uk<BR&gt ;&gt;(8.13.4/CIX/8.13.4) >with >SMTP id >k1MCJTtJ009383&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; ;>for &amp >;gt;&amp;lt;kenpalmer ton@cix.co.uk&amp;gt;; Wed, 22 Feb >2006 >12:19:30 &gt;GMT& amp;amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp; >gt;Received: (qmail 5588 >invoked from >network); 22 Feb 2006 &gt;14:12:07 >+0100&lt;BR&a mp;gt;&amp;gt;Received: >from >mail.e-listas. com &gt;(66.7.164.206)&lt;BR&gt;&a mp;amp;am >p;gt; by >q5.elistas.net with EMQP; 22 Feb >2006 >14:12:07 &gt;+010 0&lt;BR&gt;&amp; >gt;Mailing-List: & amp;gt;socialcredit@elistas.com&lt;BR&gt;&am > ;p;gt;X-No-Archive: &gt;yes&lt;BR& gt >;&a >mp;gt;List-Post: &a mp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;mailto:socialcredit@elistas.c >o >m&a mp;amp;amp;gt;& >lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;R eply-To: >&gt;socialcredit@elistas.com& amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt >;Li >st-Help:&a mp;lt;BR>&gt;&amp;lt;mailto:socialcredit-help@elista s.com& >a >mp;amp;gt;&lt; >BR&a mp;gt;&amp;gt;List-Unsubscribe:<BR >>&g t;&amp;lt;mailto:socialcredit-unsubscr >ibe@elistas .co >m&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;List- Subscribe: &a >mp;gt;&amp;lt;mai<BR&g t;>lto:socialcredit-subscribe@elistas.com&a >mp;gt;&am p;amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;Delivered-T >o:& lt;BR>&am >p;gt;list >socialcredit@elistas.com&a mp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;Delivered-To: & >gt; moderator >for &gt;socialcredit@elistas.com& amp;amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp; >gt;Received: &gt ;(qmail 27769 invoked from &gt;network); >22 Feb 2006 04:14:30 >+0100&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;Re ceived: >from unknown >(HELO &gt;hotmail.com) &am p;gt;(65.54.233.108)&lt;BR&amp >;gt;&amp;gt; by mail.egrupos.com with SMTP; >22 >Feb &gt;2006 04:14:30 >+0100&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;Received: from mail >pickup >service by &gt;hotmail.com with Microsoft >SMTPSVC;&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;<BR&g t;>Tue, 21 Feb >2006 >19:25:57 &gt;-080 0&lt;BR&gt;&amp; >gt;Message-ID:<BR&am p;gt;&gt;&amp;lt;BAY21-F19 >4E0911053 &g t;FE0D8A1FC5FBDFD0@phx.gbl&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;&am p;amp;gt; >Received: >from & gt;210.54.103.103 by >by21fd.bay21.hotmail.msn.com >with >HTTP;&a mp;amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; Wed, >22 &gt;Feb 2006 >03:25:56 >GMT&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;amp;gt;X-Originating-IP:<BR >>&gt;[210.54.103. 103]&lt;BR&gt;&am >p;gt;X-Origi >nating-Email: &gt;[johngrawson@hotmail.com]&am p;amp;lt;BR&g >t;&amp;gt >;X-Sender:& amp;lt;BR>&gt;johngrawson@hotmail.co >m&lt;BR& amp;amp;gt;&amp;gt;In-Reply-To: > &gt;& >amp;amp;lt;000c01c6373b$dadf4020$056437d2@computer &amp;gt;&l >t;BR&gt;&amp;g & amp;gt;t;From: "John >G &gt;Rawson" >&a mp;amp;lt;johngrawson@hotmail.com >&amp;gt;&lt;BR& ;amp;gt;&amp;gt;To: &gt;socialc< > ;BR>>redit@elistas.com&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;D ate: Wed, 22 Feb >2006 >03:25:56 &gt;+000 0&lt;BR&gt;&amp; >gt;Mime-Version: & amp;gt;1.0&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;Content-Type:< &g t;BR>>text/html; &gt;format=flowed&a mp;lt;BR&gt;&a >mp;gt;X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 >Feb >2006 >03:25:57.0928&gt;(UTC)&lt;BR&gt;& >amp;gt ;FILETIME=[B24A6A80:01C6375F]&lt >;BR&gt;&a mp;amp;am >p;gt;Subject: Re: &gt;[socialcredit] Inflation and >Price >Control&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;amp;gt;X-Envelope-To:<BR& >gt;&gt;kenpalmerton@ci xcouk.cix.co. >uk&lt;BR&gt;&am >p ;amp;gt;X-UIDL: &gt;_DTC.TbF_DB.mta02.mx&l t;BR&g >t;&amp;gt;&l >t;BR&am p;amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;html&a >mp;amp;gt;&a mp;amp;lt;div &gt;style='background-co &a mp;gt;l >or:'&amp;gt;&amp;lt;P&amp;gt;Fair and correct, >Bill, >except &gt; for&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;on >e thing.&amp;amp;nbsp; Production of >armaments need >not"divert" &gt;manufacturing& lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; >effort >when factories are already producing at >less &gt;than >potential .&amp;amp;nbsp;&lt;BR >&gt;&amp;gt;Yo u are thinking of the all-out >effort >of &gt;wart ime, I an talking >about&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;situations< ;BR>>like the present one >in the &gt;US, where the economy is >kept >going&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;gt;by armament production, >or the &gt;space effort, >or etc.&amp;amp;nbsp; It >was one of&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;the main >functions >of &gt;Mars hall Aid after WW2, which also >happened to >help&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;a lot of >other &gt;nations too. Just as America's >deficit >spending helps us >to&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;export<BR& gt;&gt;meat >to >them.&amp;lt;/P& amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;P&amp;gt;It can >all be tied back to >the >fault >in & amp;amp;gt;the&lt;BR&gt;&amp;g >t;financial&a mp;lt;BR>&gt;system.&amp;lt;/P&amp;gt;&a mp;a > >mp;lt;P&amp;gt;Regards.&amp;a mp;nbsp;&amp;amp;n >bsp; >&amp;lt;FON T &gt;color=#339933&lt;BR& >amp; gt;&amp;gt;size=4&amp;gt;John &g&l t;BR>>t;R.& >amp;amp;lt;/FONT&amp;gt;&a mp;lt;/P&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BLO >CKQUOTE &gt ;style="PADDING-LEFT: &gt;5px;&lt;BR& >amp;gt;&amp;gt;MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; >BORDER-LEFT: #a0c6e5 2px >solid; &gt;MARGIN-RIGHT: & gt;0px"&amp;gt;&amp >;lt;FONT&lt;BR&g t;&amp;gt;style="FONT-SIZE: >11px; >FONT-FAMI LY: &gt;tahoma,sans-serif"&amp; >gt; &lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;HR & gt;color=#a0c6e5<B >R>>SIZE=1&amp;gt;&lt ;BR&gt;&amp;gt;From: >&gt;& amp;amp;amp;lt;I&amp;gt;"W. >McGunnigle"<BR& amp;gt;& >gt;&amp;amp;lt;wmcgunn@maxnet.co.nz&amp ;amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;/I >&a >mp;gt;&am p;amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;Reply-To:&lt;BR&am >p;gt;& amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;l &gt;t;I&amp; gt >;soc >ialcredit@elistas.com&amp;lt;/I& ;amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt >;To:&lt;BR& ;amp;gt;& >amp;gt;&amp;lt;I&amp;gt; &a >mp;amp;amp &gt;;lt;socialcredit@elis tas.com&amp;am >>p;gt;&amp;lt;/I& ;amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;Subject:< >BR&am p;gt;&gt;&amp;lt;I&amp;gt;R >e: >[socialcredit]&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;Inflation >and >Price &gt;Control&a mp;lt;/I&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&a >mp;amp;gt;Date: >&amp;lt;I&amp;gt;Wed, 22 >Feb >2006 &gt;12:09:22&a mp;amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt >;+1300&amp;lt;/I& ;amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&amp >;gt;&am >p;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;&a mp;amp;amp;lt;META > &gt;content="Micros >oft >SafeHTML" >& amp;gt;name=Generator&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;gt;&am >p;amp;lt;STYLE&amp; >gt;&amp ;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;&amp >;amp;lt;/STYLE&am p;gt;&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;BR&am > ;p;gt;&amp >;g &gt;t;& amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt; >&amp;lt;FONT face=Arial >size=2&amp;gt;Despite the >somewhat >histrionic &gt;reply< ;BR>>from&lt;BR&gt;&amp; >gt;John, his analysis is correct. >'Stagflation" >always & ;amp;gt;seems to coincide >with&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;supremely high >interest rates. It >seems &gt;logical to me therefore >that >the&lt;BR&gt;&am p;amp;gt;bulk of the money supply at >such &gt;times has >been subverted into >debt&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;servicing and >hence >the &gt;necessar y financial wherewithall to >conduct >normal&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;amp;gt;business >is &gt;being removed from circulation >at an ever >increasing >rate.&lt;BR&gt;&amp;g t;This &gt;explains >the >ra pid slow down in commercial >and >manufacturing & amp;gt;activity&lt;BR&gt;&am >p;amp;gt;and the stagnation of the >economy. Normality only >returns &gt;when >inte rest&lt;BR&gt;&am >p;gt;rates >decrease thereby allowing sufficient >finance >to &gt; become available >for&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;"normal">commercial activity. We >are assuming, &gt;of course, >that >debt&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;amp;gt;servicing is NOT a normal >activity. >This &gt; assumption is valid because >all&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;normal people >do not >normally &gt;willingly accept large debts >over >long&lt;BR&gt;&a mp;gt;periods >of >time. &gt ;&amp;lt;/FONT&amp;gt;&am >p;lt;/DIV& amp;gt;&amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&a >mp;lt ;FO >NT &gt;face=Arial&lt;BR&amp ;gt;&amp;gt;size=2& >amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&am p;amp; >amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;n >bsp;&amp ;amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nb &gt;sp;& amp >;amp;nbs >p;&amp;amp;nbsp;Government& ;amp;lt;BR&gt;&a >mp;amp;gt;spending however obeys >different &gt;rules. > ;Governments can and >do >accept&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;gt;large debt burdens for >all &gt;sorts of >different political reasons. >This&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;enables them >to >expend &gt;conside rable amounts of the nations >wealth >on&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;amp;gt;projects >like &gt;armaments. The wages and salaries >paid out to >the workers >in&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;this<BR&a mp;gt;&gt;industry plus >the >subcontracting to smaller firms >boosts >the &gt;money &lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt >;supply and creates a financial >atmosphere of affluence >and &gt;well-being&lt;BR& amp;amp;gt;&amp;gt;among >the >general population. Diversion of effort >into &gt;armaments > removes&lt;BR&gt;& >amp;gt;consumer goods production from >circulation >and &gt;h ence a dearth of >consumer&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;goods. This creates >an >artificial &gt; shortage in certain areas >of >the&lt;BR&gt;&amp; gt;financial market, and >consequently &gt;price &gt ;increases as greedy >entrepenuers&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;take advantage >of >the &gt;situa tion. >"War >time &gt;expedi ency&lt;BR&gt;&am >p;gt;mentality".&a mp;lt;/FONT&amp;gt;&am >p;lt;/DIV&a >mp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;FONT&l t;BR>&g >t;face=Arial&lt;BR&gt<BR&g t;>;&amp;gt;size=2&amp;gt;&a >mp;amp;amp;n bsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp >;n& lt;BR>>bsp;&amp;amp;nb &gt;sp;&a mp;amp;amp;amp;nbsp; >I have not done >an >exhaustive&lt;BR&gt;&am p;amp;gt;analysis >of &gt;this situation yet, but I >am sure that >mechanism >operating &gt;our& ;amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;present > >fina ncial system operates along this type of >line. &gt;Shortages >of& amp;amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; >vital commodities like >food, >shelter,&amp;amp;nbsp;fuel&l t;BR>&gt;and clothing >can >and >are&lt;BR&g t;&amp;gt;deliberately created simply >by &gt;manipulating &gt ;the money supply to >prevent&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;sections of >the >community &gt;havin g access to these >important >commodities.&lt;BR& gt;&amp;gt;Most of the >"poor " &gt;in the USA are >actually fully and >gainfully >employed,&lt;BR&gt;&amp ;gt;but >"the &gt;Mar >ket" has been twisted so that virtually all >their >income &gt;is&am p;amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;div >erted into providing the necessities >of life. In >NZ &gt;maintaining >a&lt;B R&gt;&amp;gt;household now >necessitates two >incomes. Both NZ and &gt;USA >have >resources &lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;enough to provide a >basis living >standard >well &gt;a bove subsistence >level,&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;but many still live >below that >level. The &gt;only factor >preventing >proper&lt;BR&gt;& amp;amp;amp;gt;distribution of >those resources is >an &gt;adequate debt-free money >supply.&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;Debt servicing >has become a >major &gt;stumbling >block ;>to&amp;amp;nbsp;human&lt;BR&gt;&am p;gt >;developement in the world. >Banks &gt;and financiers >are only interested >in&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;exp loitation of >individuals &gt;for their benefit. >Until this is >changed the&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;present >unstable<BR& gt;>world &gt;financial situation will continue. >I hope that >some&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;madman >doesn't &gt;plunge us all into a final >internecine >conflict >before<BR& amp;gt;&gt;our&lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;internation al & >gt;financial system >is >totally &gt;refo rmed.&amp;lt;/FONT&amp;gt; >&amp;lt;/DIV& amp;amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt; >&amp;gt;& ;am >p;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;FONT &g t;face=Arial &am >p;gt;size=2&amp;gt;&am p;amp;amp;lt;/FONT&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbs >p;&am p;lt; >/DIV&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;&a mp;amp;gt;& >amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;FONT&a mp;lt;BR>&gt;face=A<BR > >>rial >size=2&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nb sp;&amp;amp;nb >sp;&amp;amp;nbsp; &a mp;amp;gt;Bill&lt;BR& >gt;& >amp; amp;gt;McGunnigle&amp;lt;/FONT&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/DIV& amp;a >mp;amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;&am & gt;p;gt;&amp;lt;BLOCKQU >OTE &gt;dir =ltr >style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; >PADDING-LEFT: >5px;&lt;BR&gt;&a mp;amp;amp;gt;MARGIN-LEFT: &gt;5px; >BORDER- LEFT: >#000000 2px solid; >MARGIN-RIGHT: >0px"&amp;gt;&l t;BR&gt;&amp;gt;& >amp;amp;lt;DIV<BR&g t;&gt;style="FONT: >10pt >arial"&amp; gt;----- Original >Message >----- &gt ;&amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&l >t;BR&gt;& ;amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;DIV >style="BACKGROUND: > #e4e4e4; FONT: >10pt >arial; &gt;font -color:&lt;BR&gt;&amp >;gt;black"&amp ;gt;&amp;lt;B&amp;gt;F >rom:&amp;>lt;/B&amp;gt; >&amp;lt;A<BR&am p;gt;&gt;title=johngrawson >@hotmail.com&lt;BR&am p;gt;&amp;gt;href="mailt >o:johngra >wson@hot mail.com"&amp; &gt;gt;John G >Rawson&amp;lt;/A&amp;gt; >&amp ;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;& >amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp; gt;&amp;lt;DIV >style="FONT: >10pt<BR& amp;gt;&gt;arial"&amp;gt;&amp;lt; >B& amp;gt;To:&amp;lt;/B&amp;gt; >&amp; lt;A<BR >>&gt;title=socialcredit@elistas.com&am p;amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;hr >ef="mail > to:socialcredit@elistas.com &gt;"&amp;gt; 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