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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] Rent for everyone
Date:Wednesday, March 8, 2006  09:48:36 (-0800)
From:Jeffery Smith <jjs @.........org>
In reply to:Message 3576 (written by John G Rawson)

On Mar 7, 2006, at 10:10 PM, John G Rawson wrote:

> Let's get the first point sorted first. No landowner these days stamps 
> leather with a bull's head opr whatever to create his own money to pay 
> tax.
>
> The tax must be paid from money earned through carrying out some 
> commercial activity on the land, or off it if it is only used as a 
> home residence.

Or unearned money, if he's not the one carrying out the commercial 
activity, or not compensating his neighbors for hogging a prime site.

> If he can't charge the cost of the tax into some form of production, 
> he will not have the land long.

No one will. If he can't afford the dues, likely it's over market 
value, and none of his neighbors could, too.

> I don't see much point in going further if you are unable to grasp 
> this point.

There's more than that you don't see.

As to who issues money and do they issue enough, of course, in an 
unfair system, some get money for nothing while others get nothing for 
earned money. Of course, that needs fixing. The problems of failing to 
share socially generated "rents" and of hierarchically issuing currency 
at cost to society both needed addressing, not ignoring. If you had to 
choose, which would you fix? Note that, historically, you have more 
examples of land justice helping more people than money justice doing 
likewise. For instance, where you have community currency, sure, it 
helps initially. But then, by making life nicer, it makes the area more 
attractive, which pumps up site values. If those values are not 
recovered and shared, then you merely exacerbate the underlying 
injustice of owners vs nonowners.

SMITH, Jeffery J., President, Forum on Geonomics
7536 SE Milwaukie Av, Portland Oregon 97202 USA
503/232-1337; jjs@geonomics.org; www.geonomics.org
Share Earth's worth to prosper and conserve.

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