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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] "monetary reform" v. "social credit"
Date:Saturday, January 1, 2005  10:55:45 (-0800)
From:Joe Thomson <thomsonhiyu @....ca>

 

(Joe Thomson wrote:-) Their proposition is that the government must 'spend'
it into circulation, and it will only be available 'on terms'. 
To those chosen to 'work' for it.  Their 'reforms', well
intentioned though they may seem to be to many, are
not really much in the way of reforms at all.
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(John Hermann replied:-)  It will save the taxpayer immense sums in
(unnecessary) interest payments.
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(Bill Ryan commented:-)  A better way for government to save immense
sums in interest payments is to stop borrowing. 

(John Hermann respnded:-)    I agree that governments should not
borrow from the private sector, nor do they need to.

(Bill Ryan continued:-)  If they need to spend they can tax.  A government that
can spend without taxing is a government unchecked
by the people.
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(John Hermann continued:-)    There are many checks and balances
in a democratic society. One such check is known as
regular elections for the executive and legislature. 
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YOU are able to vote for what YOU want in Australia in a completely meaningful way, John?  And 'check' what your 'executive' and 'legislature' are able to do to you, once elected,  in between elections?   In your 'ballot-box' democracy do you, as an individual,  have the opportunity there to ''choose, or refuse, one thing at a time"?   In regards to not only deciding issues important to you, but also just WHAT issues are important to you?   Or are the only 'choices' you can make on election day fairly narrow, all lumped together in the form of a Party 'platform', and just from a list pre-determined for you? Is a true 'democratic society' the ''rule of the majority'', or is it an association encompassing the means of ''making the policy of the individual effective in relation to himself''?  
How, if a 'democratic society' is the latter, do the individuals within that society sanction which government 'policies' THEY want made 'effective unto themselves' ? Especially if their most effective 'vote', their 'money' vote (through taxation),  is removed from them? 
 
'.(John Hermann:-)  Also, a major basis on which high-powered money is
issued by the central bank to government lies in the
ability and willingness of that government to impose
a social obligation called taxation upon its citizens.
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The operative word here seems to be 'impose'.  And various Governments have certainly shown that they are all too willing and able to 'impose' such a 'social obligation' on its citizens in the limited number of experiments we've had with 'high-powered' money being created this way so far. Are we not back to the 'individual' existing to serve the 'system', John?  Rather than the 'system' to serve the 'individual'?
Joe









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