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Subject:RE: [socialcredit] The Spanish Gold Story - An Inflation Case Study
Date:Friday, March 10, 2006  06:55:57 (-0500)
From:Daniel Morin <dan @........com>

The Spanish gold is a perfect case study of inflation.  Increasing (inflating) the money supply does not increase wealth.  In most countries, inflation is done by the central bank printing money, however Spain imported gold from the New World which produced the same effect.

From http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_437.html :
"Although prices had dropped steadily during the 1400s, after 1500 they began to rise dramatically--300 percent by 1600, according to economist Earl Hamilton, who wrote a well-known book on the phenomenon"

Price increase is the end result of pumping money into an economy. It is interesting to notice prices have been declining steadily in history when the money supply has been stable, whatever it is in Europe or America.  By the way, declining prices is good for everyone because the poor can now afford things that were too expensive before.  Think of the price of computers which have been going down every year - it is good for all of us.  Now imagine if prices of houses, cars, food and tuition would go down every year.  You could now afford a bigger house, better car, eat higher quality food and get bonus education for the same money.

"The reasons for this are complex, but it seems clear that at least in part it was a matter of a sharply increasing amount of money (in the form of silver and gold) chasing a relatively fixed output of goods and services, thus bidding up the price."

If you increase the money supply, prices will increase according to the increase of money supply and the interest rates will raise to adjust too.  For instance, let say I lend you $100K for a house and ask you to pay me later.  It is obvious that I expect to get $100K back plus an extra for the risk and trouble.  If in the next 10 years the price of houses has doubled, then I will have to ask at least $200K so I preserve my original purchasing power (buy a house).  If I expect the price of a house in 2016 (10 years later) to be 5 times higher than it is today, then I will have to ask you to pay at least $500K from the loan.  Whatever you make monthly payments or pay back in a lump sum, the end result is the same: the higher the inflation, the higher the interest rate.  If on the other hand prices are declining, and I expect the price of a house to be 25% lower in 10 years (similar as computer products), I may ask you to pay $120K for the loan.  Asking $20K for a loan of $100K over a 10-year period is a low interest rate (less than 2% compound interest per year).

Another important factor driving down the interest rate is high savings.  If I have extra money that I don't need, I will be willing to loan my money at a lower interest rate.  If on the other hand I really want (or need) to spend my $100K, then I may not be willing to loan it for 10 years for a mere $20K profit.  A low interest rate is good for the borrower, but most importantly it is beneficial to the society.  The entrepreneur may use that money to invest in production tools and create additional jobs.

"Among other things the higher prices meant Spanish goods became uncompetitive on European markets. Even the Spanish themselves began buying foreign products, resulting in a lot of cash leaving the country. In addition, inflation stifled local investment, with the grandees spending their dough on conspicuous consumables instead."

Pumping money is not good for exports either.  The conclusion is a stable money supply is best for everyone, that is consumers, borrowers and lenders.

Cheers,
-- Dan Morin.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffery Smith [mailto:jjs@geonomics.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:36 PM
> To: socialcredit@elistas.com
> Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Gold
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2006, at 3:24 PM, John G Rawson wrote:
>
> > Some hard facts and figures on this would be appreciated.
> >
> > Whatever happened obviously is of intense interest to anyone studying
> > money systems.  Casual queries by me to people only partly qualified
> > in the field resulted in them saying there didn't seem to be much
> > effect after Spain had paid off its heavy debts.
> >
> > Another interesting line to pursue in detail would be the stages of
> > deliberate inflation of the German mark to ease problems of
> > reparations payments, set in German currency.  All I have is an
> > unfounded story that those doing it were astounded that for a start
> > industry just rose to match the increased purchasing power, and they
> > had to really activate the printing presses to get results.
> >
> > Funny how really critical hard facts like these (whatever happened)
> > never seem to be promoted.
>
> Both the inflations of Spain and of Germany were covered in my high
> school history text book; it's been eons since I've held them. But I
> read references to both experiences in many places. Just googling just
> now yields this:
> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_437.html
>
> SMITH, Jeffery J., President, Forum on Geonomics
> 7536 SE Milwaukie Av, Portland Oregon 97202 USA
> 503/232-1337; jjs@geonomics.org; www.geonomics.org
> Share Earth's worth to prosper and conserve.
>
>

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