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Rent for everyone thomsonh
social credit, geo Triumpho
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Credit for everyon Jeffery
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Rent for everyone: thomsonh
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Subject:Re: [socialcredit] land
Date:Friday, March 10, 2006  02:10:27 (-0700)
From:Wallace M. Klinck <wmklinck @....ca>

Precisely, Michael.
 
Major Douglas's "A + B Theorem" includes the TOTAL flow in a given production cycle of ALL money costs representing ALL factors of production AND total financial payments as consumer income in the same cycle.  Financial price includes associated land costs which are claimed in prices along with all other costs of production.  The A + B Theorem is an all-embracing, macro-economic, concept which is applicable to the economy as a whole.  The intrinsic, exponentially increasing deficiency of effective purchasing-power which the Theorem describes is related to the progressive reduction of labour costs relative to capital costs.  This trend toward increasing technological efficiency results from the knowledge and technique learned over time immemorial and passsed as an accumlating Cultural Heritage from one generation to another.  Unfortunately, and seemingly incongruously, the very process of increased production efficiency due to the increased utilization and refinement of physical capital, results, under the present defective financial system of cost-accountancy, in the consumer being increasingly marginalized from participation in the economic process.  Inasmuch as the true end of production is not to create work but rather to enable consumption, this phenomenon is contrary to what would be expected logically and realistically.
 
Social Credit would compensate this increasing deficiency of financial purchasing-power by the periodic issue to individual citizens of consumer credits originating outside the business financial accountancy costing system--which system prematurely withdraws, via final financial prices, and cancels credit with respect to physical capital which endures much longer over time.  The consumer at large is currently charged in consumer prices with total national capital depreciation but not credited with capital appreciation, which latter greatly exceeds capital depreciation.  By means of the supplementary issue of non-cost-creating consumer "credits" to assist consumption through increased individual buying-power and a general decline of the price-level, we would all as individual citizens acquire a continuing and expanding BENEFICIAL ownership in the Cultural Heritage--accomplished by increasing automatic access to the PRODUCT of industrial endeavour. 
 
No form of taxation is involved in this process.  It is not not re-distributive. It would be accomplished by supplementary, distributive means--by a National (Consumer) Dividend and Compensated  Prices at the retail level. 
 
Capital is most productive when operated by those who have developed over time the skill and expertise to use it efficiently.  The modern producer cannot and does not want to consume the outflow from his own enterprise.  To continue producing he requires an effective demand for his product so that he can recover his financial costs and continue the process of creating and delivering goods and services.  What the consumer wants is not primarily a direct physical ownership in the various forms of capital, but rather access to the usable wealth which flows from the successful utilization of capital.  To interfere with that successful utilization because of misguided notions about the merits, or "justice", of "ownership" (private OR collective) in productive capital would sabotage the efficiency of its operation to the actual detriment of all citizens.  This, of course, was the result of the Marxist delusion which placed ownership of industrial capital and "work" above distribution of the proceeds of industry and the provision of "leisure."
 
Sincerely
Wally Klinck
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:53 PM
Subject: [socialcredit] land

I have thought some more on this question of land.  I am coming into this discussion in the middle, as I simply haven't been reading submissions for several weeks.

We social crediters recognize something we call the Cultural Heritage as the biggest factor in production.  Production is represented by various business organizations, each of which embodies a piece of the Cultural Heritage.  Each of them, indeed, could not have been formed without the benefit of access to money, which is a social product.  For that reason, we all by right are invested with BENEFICIARY OWNERSHIP of those organizations -- which means a claim to a certain share of their fruits.  This ownership is expressed in the form of a National Dividend, but it is not expressed in the form of a tax on the business organizations.

Productive land (and I don't just mean agricultural production) is also a part of the Cultural Heritage.  It has been cleared, ploughed, fertilized, excavated, raised, built on, etc., etc. for countless generations.  We are by right invested with a beneficiary ownership in it, that is, a claim to a certain share of its fruits.

Our beneficiary ownership of production, in social credit, is expressed by a National Dividend to claim all its otherwise unclaimed fruits (and discharge all of its otherwise undischarged debts).  Since it doesn't limit itself to the fruits of one or another factor of production or one or another piece of the Cultural Heritage, the social credit National Dividend ALREADY INCLUDES the dividend based on universal beneficiary ownership of the land that Jeff calls for.*

Michael

*This would be true even if we talked of primeval forest and so took the "Cultural" out.  The social credit National Dividend would capture the fruits of that Heritage, too.

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