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Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 2:10
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Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Tragedy of
Human Effort
Peter,
I don't understand the relevance of your
comments.
My evocation of belief that species breed true
must certainly be one of the oldest examples of inductive reasoning, as
demonstrated by its presence in a very old myth. It is neither anti-Biblical
(unless you haven't awakened to the mythical character of the Bible), nor is
it a sneer on the practice of inferring rules (especially causative ones)
from the repetition of what seem to be cause-effect series of
actions.
Of what relevance, therefore, your comment
about throughbreds?
I did not argue that induction was necessarily
a poor procedure; I asserted that Sherlock Holmes stories are not a good
illustration of induction.
You say that "Science like truth isnt
deterremined by popularity or repetition." Did you think before
writing that, or do you really not understand the meaning of the
words?
Then this utter howler: "Same thing goes
for scripture." If it isn't popularity and repetition that determine
scripture, just what do you imagine is the
determinant?
I' do agree with your judgment this far:
It was an unfortunate choice of example because it seems to have induced
this incoherent reply. Why don't you try doing your correspondence
before getting into the beer?
Keith
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:10
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Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Tragedy
of Human Effort
Howdy Keith,
I though your choice of a pro-psuedo-science
anti-Bible example was rather unfortunate. The whole Bible was a
detterrent to Marxist theories of the 19th century which was also a more
complete understanding of how mankind should live in this world, so
what?
I notice the thoroughbred horse industry
hasnt been put out of stride due to theories that a horse might breed
a catipillar or a fish.
Science like truth isnt deterremined by
popularity or repetition. Same thing goes for
scripture.
I would suggest that the funniest side of man
has been in the way he has handled science and scripture and theories
about them, even funnier than economics. As I said it was
unfortunate you chose it.
Peter H
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:03
AM
Subject: Re: [socialcredit] Tragedy
of Human Effort
Since no one else has come forward to
correct John's misconceptions about inductive versus deductive
reasoning, I contradict even though my resources for carrying through
are still a bit feeble.
I agree with John that just how Douglas
came upon his ideas and analysis is not critical in evaluating how well
they work.
But to say that Sherlock Holmes represents
inductive thinking is to get things in reverse. The Holmes stories
are examples of deductive logic. Inductive reasoning is of the
kind that infers from repetitive instances a rule that the instances
will continue to recur, because it is a law of nature. It is the
kind of reasoning that led the authors of Genesis to infer that species
breed true because God designed them that way and therefore needed to
save them in the Ark. This kind of thinking was a deterrent to
acceptance of more complete theories of species and their evolution in
the 18th and 19th centuries.
Keith Wilde
---- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:59
PM
Subject: RE: [socialcredit]
Tragedy of Human Effort
Believe it or not, the best example of inductive reasoning comes
from the Sherlock Holmes novels.
Collect date, organise it to make it better understandable, get rid
of the obviously wrong answers, and go and have a good sleep, por play
a violin, or indulge in hectic sport, or... The subconscious mind will
come up with ideas. Treat each destructively to see if it can be
eliminated. The one that can't be is probably the best, until
new data requires it to be modified. It doesn't matter a stuff
where Douglas' analysis comes from or what are its likely
causes. Treated inductively it remains by far the best
explanation of events last century.
And I believe the various different definitions of money invented
by orthodox economists were attempts to get away from it, but
surprisingly each seems to confirm it more.
Refgards. John
R.
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Subject: [socialcredit]
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:04:52
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"It can be tested inductively in that it explains events over
the last century that are inexplicable using the alternative. . .
. Nothing is proved by induction. But the opposite
stands clearly disproved." (Joh n)
That's what I said, I
think. However, I thought it worth taking some trouble to
identify (1) What is the phenomenon to be explained? and (2) What
exactly IS the hypothesis?
Michael
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