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| Subject: | Re: [socialcredit] Rent for everyone | | Date: | Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:40:53 (-0800) | | From: | Jeffery Smith <jjs @.........org>
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On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:00 PM, Peter Haines wrote:
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> The major social problem of the world is poverty in the midst of
> plenty,
Almost recapitulates the best-seller, Progress and Poverty, which
explained what's hard for most modern urban people to see - the role of
land and land rent.
> Land use is only one of many factors that are in the making of goods
> and providing services that dont get distributed justly.
True, but not all factors are equal in their impact, nor in their
obviousness - which is why we have science.
> This system recognises the total communal input into values of land
> but not what man produces which is the area of malnutrition, poverty
> of various kinds, and all the social ills that are down stream of
> such. Same cant be said of people who only rent and may never own
> property.
Please clarify.
> One could apply the same narrow view to education and occupations and
> then we come to realise that the current system does a similar job
> anyway when we compare the amount of taxes certain people pay (
> looking at their proterty, occupationa incomes and their link to
> education etc) and the taxes are used by govt to carry the
> unfortunate, re a psuedo wage ( dole), medical subsidies etc etc.
Please clarify. Present taxation is not even close to quid pro quo. A
land tax at least does reflect social input of values.
> By far the greater part of THINGs man is associated with is what he
> produces/offeres to do and sells which also has community interest
> within it.
Please clarify. In economics, we've noted "externalities", negative
ones such as pollution and positive ones such as land value.
> One merely has to consider Japan and it land area and compare it with
> what it produces and exports.
Consider to what end? Back at the peak of the Japanese business cycle,
if you could buy Japan once, you had enough money to buy America four
times.
> The consider Saidi Arabia with its land mass unoccupied and
> producing little. Neither have anything to do with 'justice' or the
> social problem of the world- poverty in the midst of plenty.
Please explain. In economics, we have the "resource curse", which notes
every country laden with oil etc and little else has huge problems in
development, justice, etc.
> The reason this system doesnt even begin to compete with Social Credit
Not that their in competition, but you can find several real world
examples of partial use of geonomics. Any of free money? What results?
> is it only wants to apply a same principle as we do to a limited field
> which indicates what its underlying philosophy is.
Please do indicate.
> In effect this system treats all land as not being owned but rented
> and so it shares the same stables are the communist manifesto and the
> protocols.
The communists also noted two plus two equals four. The Christians also
noted that "the fruits of the earth belong to everyone" (Ecclisiastes).
So, you're trying to impart guilt by association, a handy propaganda
tool?
> The other point to remember is that not only should the community get
> a dividend based on the whole of progress and not just the value of
> property going up over time,
No difference. Where is progress most advanced? Silicon Valley. Where
are land values highest? Silicon Valley.
> but the community should also be working less and less as progress is
> made.
Hear, hear. Precisely what a dividend from recovered rents accomplishes.
> They are not for setting people freer.
Your mind reading abilities leave lots to be desired. Also your
interest in real world examples. Every jurisdiction that recovers any
publicly generated site values is freer than those that don't.
> This is like a religious cult. Its all logical within the chosen
> arguments,
Hard to find a better example of psychological projection.
> like making doctrine out of selective lines denying context and other
> similar scriptures.
Please supply the counter examples if such exist.
> This system is likewise out of context of wider reality and based on a
> politcal motive.
Ironic how comforting the human brain finds its own distortions of
others - little different from the ranting of many players on the scene
today, using terrorism to their advantage.
SMITH, Jeffery J., President, Forum on Geonomics
7536 SE Milwaukie Av, Portland Oregon 97202 USA
503/232-1337; jjs@geonomics.org; www.geonomics.org
Share Earth's worth to prosper and conserve.
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